i love how libs' brains just break at the thought of someone being more left-wing than them. it never gets old.
Clearly, these are secret Chinese/Russian/Iranian
bots, no right-thinking person would ever be so slur/insult/racism
!
Lib seeing a portal to the communism dimension opening in front of them:
"NON PLUS ULTRA"
The few interactions I've had with them wasn't because they believed we were more left-wing than them. They thought we were pretend left wing.
Because of Sorkin Syndrome™ and MAGA saturation, crudeness = right wing.
If anyone were to be on the left of them, the hypothetical leftists should be even more polite and civil than they are! Doncha know, the more crude, the more right! It's not about economic policy that dictates how left/right you are, it's about how rude you are on the internet!
They literally care about tone more than policy. Which explains American politics, but it's not a meme. If you post PPB in the same sentence as calling for guillotines for every billionaire, they'd ignore the second part and call you right wing.
Right wing propaganda such as what? Go ahead, we'll all wait. They can NEVER give a concrete answer. It's always 'but Russia' and I haven't seen fuck all about Russia on here in days and days
I think it's probably right wing propaganda like:
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Biden isn't perfect
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Russia isn't solely to blame for the Ukraine war
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there's no evidence from reliable sources for Uighur genocide
look at that right wing rhetoric
OMG you are literally Hitler
Listen sweaty
There's liberals and conservatives. You hate liberals, therefore you must be a conservative. It's not that hard.
You see... Even being against nuclear conflict is as pro-Russia right-wing statement...
The "right wing propaganda" to them is literally anything that is negative about liberals.
Their conception of "left" is that liberal = as far left as you get. Anything negative about liberals is therefore right wing.
They see "I do not like libs" and go to "this is right wing" in their headspace because they know literally nothing other than democrat vs republican. They don't even understand that those are just two halves of liberalism. If you explained that the fascists in Japan are the liberal party their heads explode.
Why won't you people learn that the US is the only force for good in the world, and should be worshipped? Only a fascist would be calling for its destruction. They've only killed a few people here and there, and I'm sure they were all accidental, not like those evil soviets! Please, just pick up a history book. I recommend The Anti-Communist Manifesto by Jesse Kelly. He's a good, honest, hard working, all AMERICAN politician who just has reasonable centrist opinions that I don't see how anyone could disagree with.
From weaponizing race, sex, and gender to hijacking our schools, communism threatens to destroy our cherished American way of life. Featuring practical tools and tactics to not only identify communists but also defend the United States from this malicious enemy, The Anti-Communist Manifesto is an instructive guide for all patriots.
I need a shower now.
Yeah, I kept seeing posts like this all over kbin and they made me curious as to what's actually going on with this 'hexbear' they were talking about.
I've been lurking here for a few weeks now and it seems like one of the saner places I've stumbled across since I landed in the fediverse. So it makes me a little sad that these posters seem to have such a strong reaction to the ideas posted here. Either they're inventing things feign offence over, because they dislike the actual ideas so much, or I'm just missing all the really nasty posts on hexbear. 🤷♂️
Liberals are so used to being "the good guys" in comparison to conservatives that they react poorly to us and our positions like "stop demolishing homeless camps" and "we're antiwar including this one"
They're so blinded by liberal ideology that they're incapable of understanding that anyone could possibly be further left than them.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
mods, MODS! the echo chamber is leaking!
i spil my eko
Right wing propaganda here? Like WHAT?
If I sent this site to a right winger, they'd have a meltdown about how evil and leftist it is
America Brain has had a serious effect on its populace: the Two Party System has been so ingrained, anyone that criticizes you must be the enemy.
And we kinda short circuit that sheltered view. See, we use ad hominem and link PPB, that's crude, therefore right wing. Even when we say universal healthcare and housing should be a thing, we can't sincerely mean it because it was already established that we're right wing. So we're right wingers pretending to be left. Which means our criticisms of the Ukraine are sincere, our criticisms of Russia are insincere, because we're right wing. Our criticisms of libs are sincere, our criticisms of republicans aren't, etc etc.
They must invent a reality where 4chan users have enough attention and dedication to pull off a multi thousand user forum that's not federated with anything and keeping to rules of being pro LGBT+ and not using slurs (which 4channers love btw) for 3 years so and also make u/spez fuck up 3rd party APIs later and make people choose to mass migrate and they happen to choose Lemmy, we could then federate and attack them from the left.
These people would be susceptible to Scientology if they grew up around Scientologists. They'll believe anything.
I really think it's an honest misunderstanding, fueled by wrong first impressions.
Even for myself, the first time I opened hexbear.net a few months ago, I immediately saw some post about Trump on the front page, and a bunch of posts and comments criticising liberals. I completely misunderstood what was going on here, I also thought that it's some kind of right wing circlejerk. This misunderstanding was later reinforced by reading comments elsewhere on Lemmy calling Hexbear a Putin supporter instance, troll instance, etc.
I only started questioning my understanding when I started noticing some sincere comments by Hexbear users, and eventually I realised that you guys have pretty much the same worldview as I do (in terms of the rich only being rich because they exploit the poor etc).
It can really take some effort on the part of external users to figure out what's going on in here, and from my own experience, I think it's extremely easy to get the wrong idea.
See, I think another huge part of it is that American liberals tend to see crudeness as right wing, because their media glorifies civility and they only see those that don't adhere to it on the right, or teenage trolls.
Moderate republicans and basically all dems will gang up against you if you're uncivil in criticizing the status quo, and civil criticisms amount to... well, nothing. Hell, Occupy Wall St accomplished nothing and that was much more civil than camping outside banker homes with guillotines or throwing Molotovs (see any French protest from Robespierre till now). If these fuckers saw MLK Jr. in Selma they'd call them disruptive. Well, actual MLK Jr. anyway:
I call it Sorkin Syndrome. The nerds interested in politics today grew up on West Wing instead of reading politics. Like, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with personalattacks during a debate before. That kind of energy needs to return to mainstream politics.
From an outside perspective there are probably a few things we support here that the American right might as well.
For example, lots of people here support Russia to some extent because they endorse anti-imperialist action against NATO expansionism.
Lots of people on the American right support Russia out of solidarity for their fellow fascists.
Your outsider looking in just sees support for Russia and disdain for the Ukrainian regime and makes the association.
sh.itjust.works and a 1-user Lemmy instance called lemmy.magnor.ovh also see and reply to Hexbear comments, though Hexbear doesn't see their replies
I know it's really really really funny but seriously, why is this even a thing? Federation has such a half-assed implementation.
I wanna know what post it was that broke their brain!
It was the one titled something like "Obama taking the piss" because he's asking people to donate to Libya
Edit: yeah found it. You kind find their confused reply in the thread
Man, that's even worse than I expected. They are this outraged because we don't think Obama was the greatest leader the world has ever known?
I know. Thats what's so uncomprehesibly bad about us?
These people are in a cult.
From memory, I recall reading about Marc Antony and the poet, Cicero, proponent of the Roman Republic. After Cicero was murdered by Marc Antony's men, Marc Antony had Cicero's head and hands placed to the forum, as warning not to defy him even in oration.
The kind of phenomenon of not just silencing critics but internalized, forced, and deliberate willful ignorance and refusal to engage in reality or solutions outside one's comfort zone is kind of reminiscent of historical records and analyses of failing societies.
The antagonisms of society are too transparent, and the language and ideology needed to challenge these class antagonisms have been abolished in the that it causes a sunk-cost fallacy into the liberal reformist parties that are only interested in cosmetic amelioration of social injustices, rather than their antecedent practices of significant, material, but incomplete policy amelioration.
The politics of self-preservation and comfort triumph over any desire to sacrifice that comfort for true social, economic, or political justice. We can't have nice things because literal foot soldiers are in the way, public intellectuals divest people's acceptance of legitimacy into direct action and destabilizing tactics: protests, blockades, strikes, and finally the political counter-ideology - which affirms that dignity of life and equality must be a material provision instead of rhetorical - to channel public outrage into political action and broad movements that scare the state into those reforms liberals adulate liberal democracy for. New Deal, Civil & Voting Rights, and Great Society were concessions, won through destabilizing events and movements, not merciful grants from on high seeing the plight of the poor.
Sympathy makes you a liberal, but because there is no feeling of shared destiny - solidarity - everything is up for compromise.
Which is why you have apologia for Manchin, the Democrats, Biden, Obama, et cetera.
leftism is when you're mostly ok with things as they are today but would like to raise taxes by 0.001% and maybe have more symbolic gestures towards minorities. and you think Biden has done stuff.
kbin sounds like some sort of program to run KDE programs on Windows, like a reverse Wine
Politically illiterate dweebs mixed in with self aware cryptonazis knowingly spreading lies and filling their heads with nonsense.
Wtf is that kbin link I think itsgiven me cancer
Lemmy chops off most of the unchanged kbin link: https://kbin.social/m/meta@lemm.ee/t/458933/How-do-I-block-all-of-Hexbear-from-All/top
So the @
has to be percent-encoded for Lemmy to not try to change it. A bunch of other characters were also unnecessarily percent-encoded, I changed those back to normal now.
Close. Needs to be %40
for @ but it’s currently set to %2F
which is like a forward slash or colon or something.
Thanks, fixed
Confirmed works now.
Please help me. I am reading through orphiebabys post history. I don't understand
How are libs even real lmao
it's easier to understand wignats than it is libs
the_dunk_tank
It's the dunk tank.
This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.
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