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Back in the same ol' place again. Let's see how we do with the second go 'round.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Suspiciously black-looking priest ...

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah if you zoom in you see he's got a beard.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What difference does that make?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Aside from his mutton chops he's white as fuck.

Look at his chin. Look at his hands. Forehead. white.

Edit: for comparison, other political cartoons from the time period.

(for a little context, 1869 was a period where people were debating reconstruction and other odds and ends, like who has the right to vote, etc. They were absolutely racist fucks. these were just the ones I could reasonable conclude were from 1869-ish. at the top of results for '1869 political cartoons'.)

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

i would like to see their defense of that last comic, that explicitly portrays equality as a bad thing

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

It would be something like

"Well, as we all know, the blacks are an inferior race, so it would be detrimental if they had equal standing"

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

it would be total bullshit, and probably sound entirely like trump,

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People will argue that kicking other religions than Christianity out of school is racism.

In Quebec, the provincial government is considered racist for not allowing ostensible religious symbols in schools or allowing prayer rooms because it hinders certain religious practices.

The thing is, Quebec has been kicking religion to the curb in all its institutions since the quiet revolution after the Catholic Church has had such a long and solid influence on society to a point they actually influenced people to vote against their best interests or else risk getting excommunicated and shunned by society.

What's happening now is but the continuity.

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is a misrepresentation of the criticisms towards the Loi sur la laïcité de l'État.

Don't pretend the CAQ (Coalition Avenir Québec) government is particularly concerned about secularism unless it pertains to religions other than Christianity. It was like pulling teeth trying to get la CAQ to remove the crucifix from l'Assemblée nationale, their argument being that it was a cultural and historical symbol, not at all religious! How do you reconciliate wanting to keep a cross in your legislature with loi 21's goals of eliminating the wear of personal religious symbols?

Note: the cross did get removed eventually after some pressure from QS (Québec Solidaire).

Separation of religion and state is something I am fervently in favour of, however I think going after public servants wearing a niqab as part of their personal beliefs while actively trying to keep a crucifix up in the legislature are the actions of a government motivated more by xenophobia and racism than by secularist ideals.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

You're right about that. That was extremely hypocritical of them.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Back in the day these comics didn't have an issue making overtly racist comments. It wouldn't be the first time that a poignant comic also had some culture issues that we had not yet dealt with.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A while back I was watching a courtroom drama on TV, and at one point the protagonist lawyer was talking to his daughter about how they needed to keep separate from each other while on this case.

Daughter: "How separate?"

Protagonist: "Church-and-state separate."

Me, in my head: "Okay, so separate on paper, but in practice, incredibly buddy-buddy."

Daughter: "Okay, so extremely separate."

Me, in my head: "I don't know what I expected."

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

France did it, December 9th 1905 IIRC

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Queue Separation of Church and Skate by NoFX