I hate when manufacturers tell me what I want and don't want.
Fuck you Apple. Fuck you Samsung. Fuck you Google. and Fuck you Honda.
This is coming from another manufacturer that decided to stop building the cheap cars because they weren't profitable?
Yeah, get fucked.
The average tax on cigarettes due to their "Ill effects" on the populous is 1.93 per pack. The average pack is around 8. Car emissions kill about twice as many people as cigarettes do. Sounds like we should tax cars using gasoline an extra 25%.
Throw in us not subsidizing the oil and gasoline and poof, the number of electric chargers and cars would sky rocket. The grid would finally get upgrades as were being proposed pre-obama era.
All they need to do is bring back the Honda Fit but this time its electric. Or do an electric Odyssey.
I really think the reason people aren't getting electric cars is because they are all 20k more than the equivalent mid-size SUV and there are never any for people to test drive on a lot. At least not in my area.
That and the insurance is through the roof in some places.
Most drivers don’t want giant SUVs. That market is saturated. Ship a smaller EV with decent range, affordable price, and fast charging — and you will corner that part of the market.
In my case, he's only half right:
I don't want any new car at all. They're all mobile surveillance platforms, snooping on everything their drivers do and reporting to the mothership, who in turn "monetizes" their data and does god know what else with it.
Well fuck that - be the surveillance machine equipped with an ICE or an electric motor. Big Data-riddled modern cars is the reason why I ride the bus.
Same. I basically want my 2010s car, but with an electric engine (possibly a plug-in hybrid, not fully decided). But, no, modern cars will require me to do things like research how to disconnect the modem so the damn thing isn't selling my driving data and find one that doesn't require me to use the touch screen while fucking driving. So instead, I'm just continuing to drive my car and hoping legislation or a manufacturer figures this shit out.
Give me a basic car, but with an electric engine. That's what I want.
Yep same. I just want my old honda civic with a battery. Thats it.
Then get a Light Electric Vehicule, you may not go as fast and as far as your car but it might be enough for 90% of daily travels
Toyota does at least offer you the ability to completely disable data collection. Once their remote start/charge/climate control etc for free ran out, I disabled data collection and deleted the app off my phone.
You can physically disable it?
No but Toyota has a privacy website where you can opt out of all data collection for the vehicle. They warn you that you lose the ability to track the vehicle if it is stolen too, which sucks, but they won't let you keep that and opt out of everything else so I just opted out of the entire package.
Dang. I'd never be able to trust logging in to a website in order to opt out of data collection on my own hardware. I hope they are honoring that.
Given that they won't even track the car for theft purposes past that, I am fairly certain they are.
I suppose you could always just try and find the SIM card and remove it too…
We don't want shitty overpriced cars spying on our every move with touchscreen controls for everything. There's nothing that forces an EV to do that.
I will soon have to get a new vehicle and it is looking like I have to buy used to fill those requirements. All newer vehicles, E or ICE, seem like overpriced touchscreen spyware garbage.
I want an EV that isn't filled with touchscreens, software updates, DLC features, and doesn't track my movements. I guess that isn't demanding enough.
A basic vehicle with room for four, no fancy electronics and doodads, zero cloud/app nonsense, 4-600 mile range, under $30K. Essentially, a Camry without range anxiety.
Make it happen and you'll own the automotive world for the next decade.
Model 3 with rebates is pretty close to what you described, other than the doodads.
That's like 80% of the issue. I don't want my car to brick itself because the manufacturer pushes a poorly made software update.
I'd love an EV, but it needs to be under $5k, 150+ mile range minimum, and not have a battery on its last leg.
Best we can do for you is an electric bicycle.
I want a tesla fast ev that isn't a tesla but is tesla money.
The main thing is old school manufacturers insist on having 12 million different tiers and options. I'm close to caving in and getting a new car for the first time because my last (recent) second hand one has failed me and can't handle a hill if I'm carrying a bit of stuff/people (it's a 1.0 ecoboost engine). I would then definitely go electric but it's annoyingly hard to beat Tesla especially if you want the bells and whistles, which I would if I'm gonna drop 40k€+ on a new car I'd plan on keeping a long time. None compete with a model Y if you go for a full option trim.
Mostly I want a 400 mile range EV under $50k. Had to settle for a PHEV RAV4 Prime for the moment.
If you can charge at home, I think you should reconsider that 400 mile requirement. I have 310 mile range and rarely use more than like 20% of the battery.
It partially depends on lifestyle. I also have a 310 mile range and find that it’s really challenging to plan remote hiking / camping trips due to lack of infrastructure.
For sure. I just like to bring it up whenever somebody talks about needing a 400 mile range. More often than not, it’s not even their only vehicle. They just want a 1:1 replacement of their ICE range with no consideration of how home charging changes everything.
Not even just home charging. There are often options to plug in at most destinations, even if it is just 120V. Which if you're spending a day or two is perfectly fine.
Folks often don't consider just how long their car sits parked.
Eh, 120V recharges ~5mi in an hour on my car, whereas 240V gives ~21mi/hr.
Practically speaking, if I drive 200 miles in a day, I can recharge at 240V in under 10 hours, so overnight is generally enough. Charging at 120V would take ~40 hours. If I'm on a trip 200 miles from home, 120V charging is simply untenable and the 120V charge is just a stop gap to get me to a public fast charger.
For sure, a level 2 is much faster. My point was more if you go to say a cottage for the weekend, you're still able to plug in there and would likely be close to full in the 2-3 days you're parked there.
In my Ioniq 5, I'd be pretty much full with level 2 (240V) overnight, but the level 1 (120V) would only get around 20%. But, the slow charging isn't too much of a concern if I'm staying somewhere for a couple days.
All I'm saying is that it's possible to fuel your car nearly any time it's parked.
It sounds like we're on exactly the same page here and we simply have different usage expectations. We definitely agree on the value of being able to fuel the car anytime it is parked. One of the best things about EVs!
I tend to drive frequently to different attractions while on vacation, while it sounds like you might be the type of person who likes to get away to a cabin and try to avoid hustle and bustle for a few days. In your scenario the level 1 charging has plenty of time to do the job, whereas I'd have range anxiety the whole time because I'm usually on the go. 😅
If you had a daily driver EV that was smaller and met your regional range requirements, then rented a long range combustion vehicle for occasional excursions, you would still be saving a lot of money and carbon (plus NOx etc.).
It depends on your lifestyle in the end.
Hence why we went with a PHEV. We’re on EV most of the time. For the rare times a year we’re traveling the thing has a 500 mile range. I’m tired before I need to fill up. We fill the vehicle 4x a year on average. Freaking love it.
Yeah, that's kind of why I got the RAV4 Prime in the end although I would love to replace it with a full EV eventually. I have fairly specific requirements because my folks live in the mountain about 300 miles away round trip and I need to be able to day trip it in an emergency (and 400 miles range ≠ 400 miles freeway range).
corporate execs are all idiots and should be paid accordingly
(the Prologue and the Acura ZDX)
Fat, ugly, and likely completely overpriced for what people are looking for.
Most people don't want their EVs yet.
Most people don't wait their EVs yet?
Ope. Typo. Fixed.
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I want one
I feel like EV could be like Car version 2.0 but all I'm seeing is Car version 1.2. Maybe because they've driven themselves into a profit corner where basically anything they do that isn't exactly what they are doing stands to lose money. It's a mismatch between what the market wants (smaller, lower cost, safe, cars in all form factors that prioritize user experience and forgo 'luxury features') and what companies are optimized to deliver (big gas vehicles with loads of bells and whistles that look good in commercials).
I'd like a hybrid personally, since there's no charging infrastructure by me. One of the problems with America.
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