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Flag is just a piece of cloth
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this post was submitted on 13 Jul 2024
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The national flag. What a weird American obsession.
In the UK we call them "flag shaggers" and they are laughing stock.
If you are not trolling and you genuinely don't see the difference between occasional flag use and everyday cult typical for the USA and for the far right in other countries, you may be even slower than you appear from your comments here.
You seem unaware you're drunking on yourself here by parroting me.
Zealots are the problems, not the entire population, as I've said.
You're not one of those "readers", huh?
Did you know that someone lapping you doesn't mean you're ahead of them?
You should really try again, that was embarrassing for you.
Real funny on this side, though.
You are not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?
In other nations flag cult is limited usually to the far right. Everyone else is using flags sporadically - football events for example.
In the USA flag cult is an everyday occurrence applicable to the most of the population: flags in classrooms, on houses, everywhere. With their bizzare customs "not touching the ground" and other shit. Cult of a piece of cloth.
Do you get it now? If not try to read again. Slowly.
I'm so curious why you think repeating what I said about extremists being the problem and explicitly agreeing with me makes you such a "sharp tool"?
You think the US is the only country that doesn't want their flag touch the ground? Please, list the countries you think prefer their flag to be flown in the dirt.
You are comedically ignorant.
It's flattering, but If you want to wade into this argument to prove me wrong you'll have to
Fuckin hell, don't forget to breathe while you are typing 🙄
If you are forgetting to breathe while you're typing and still think you're ahead of the curve, I've diagnosed your problem as cerebral hypoxia.
It would definitely explain your trouble here.
It's not even close to everywhere, it's mostly sporting events and the right weirdos
As for the flag not touching the ground: that's flag code, military rules. Again, only the right cares
You're being incredibly condescending about something while knowing 0 about it
it's absolutely everywhere in the USA and it's creepy as fuck.
https://www.thefire.org/cases/alexandria-monroe-high-school-student-punished-refusing-stand-still-during-pledge-allegiance
"This was the beginning of what historians called 'the cult of the flag,' an almost religious feelings that the Americans have for the stars and stripes.”
https://time.com/4805114/flag-day-2017-history/
" The rare chance to wave the flag for a reason that had nothing to do with a political statement or a military campaign was irresistible for Americans who began putting the flag pattern on everything from breakfast waffles to garbage trucks. "
Yeah, perfectly normal 🙄
the issue is that even British flag shaggers have nothing on the crazy level muricans take this to.
But that's not saying I disagree with you.
I doubt that one group of flag extremists is less crazy than another.
I think it's easy to conflate different groups like Christian nationalists or peppers or the KKK with jingoistic idiots because a lot of them fly flags, but it's in no way an accurate critique of an entire population any more than someone assuming that everyone in Spain is a fascist because some people who wave the Spanish flag are fascists.
I didn't say anything about any groups being crazy.
Jeezus christ English is hard. 🤦♂️
the LEVEL. The LEVEL is "crazy", which means "extremely high". The amount of flag love shown by the most flag obsessed Brit isn't as high as the love shown by muricans.
Shown where? In the media?
wow. You are not a native English speaker at all, are you?
"Shown" in this context means "expressed".
It's painfully obvious you've never been to the USA.
You:
"Jeezus Christ English is hard."
Also you:
"wow. You are not a native English speaker at all, are you?"
Hilarious, keep talking.
I need to learn more from your superior command of the language.
Expressed where? In the media?
no.
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In Spain, unless it's for a sports event involving a national team, nobody except fascists show the kind of devotion the Americans show for the flag. Most of the time, people don't go wearing a flag or carrying one everywhere. Unless they are fascists.
These fascists are protesting against police brutality! Gross!
These disgusting fascists are having fun learning about history and being creative!
Oh look! You found one instance I'm which people were protesting and using the flag against police brutality. Have you ever been in Spain? If you find someone wearing a flag outside an event (ok, not only sports but sometimes also demonstrations) it's a fascist. In America, people wear them every day, have them in their house, even in their car. They worship the flag. People in Spain don't. Unless they are fascists.
I'm not going to comment about the second pic because there's not even a single Spain flag there.
No, no. You have it right. It’s the same in both places.
In one second I found a direct counterexample to your claim that all people enthusiastic about the Spanish flag are fascists.
"People in Spain don't. Unless they are fascists."
but
"people were protesting and using the flag against police brutality".
Yes, I have been to Spain.
Spain has legal protections for its flag like the US, some zealots worshiping their flag like US zealots do, and the same clothing decorations with their national flag that the US does.
You're talking about specific jingoistic fervor, not a nationwide obsession.
Some people take nationalism too far.
Zealotry is not country-specific.
I’m as far from a flag shagger as you’ll get; but slapping the union flag on the roof of a Mini isn’t about patriotism, it’s about the selling point of how the UK, and specifically London, was the epicentre of cool in the ‘60s. In this case, the flag is merely a design that represents something else.
This isn’t running it up a pole every morning to prove how much you love your country.
Preaching to the choir.
Extremists are the problem, not cars.
One of their points is that only Americans have branded their clothing and accessories with the flag; those examples show that isn't true.
Yeah, true. But two of your examples appear to be sporting events, where it’s very, very common to find people waving their national flags. That’s not really product branding, that’s just how it is.
Preaching to the choir, that's just how it is.
Gotta tell ya, dude- it's actually no different in the U.S. You'll see our flag on all of those products and more:
It's just that the people who throw big fits about the flag (who also use things like flag napkins) don't realize the hypocrisy. They will happily eat greasy fried chicken off of that plate and wipe the grease off of their mouths with that napkin and wad it up and throw both of them in the trash will then turn around and talk about someone disrespecting the flag.