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I'm no lawyer or anything, but Baldwin has been an actor in professional movies with prop guns for a long time, I think it's going to be hard for them to pin it on him (as an actor) for supposedly blowing off a single firearms course, and even that's unconfirmed right? I think it's unlikely that they'll charge him as a producer as well, because it sounds like they hired all the right people for the job and had firearms training and everything.
This whole thing just sounds like lawyers passing the buck back and forth, so who even knows what actually happened at this point. Will be interesting to see what comes up over time.
I kind of agree but if an incident happens on a site where the shooter wasn't paying attention to training and never attended the initial safety briefing then that's their own problem.
Working in construction, if I never turned up to a health and safety briefing ( and let me tell you they're repetitive as fuck) and something went wrong but my excuse was "I didn't need to go cos I've been to these before" it wouldn't go in my favour whatsoever. I don't think it's a reasonable excuse either. If there's potential for lives to be at stake, you should be paying attention. At the very least, even if not for other people's lives, just go so you can say you listened and followed every instruction but the mistake still happened. That way youve covered your own back.
Weren't they using the guns for target practice for fun at some point?
I've heard that too, but I think at this point even that's unconfirmed and we still aren't sure who was actually shooting live rounds from them.
Also is that not allowed? I honestly have no idea how that works. You'd think a movie set gun shouldn't have live rounds in it ever, but I guess the production could be renting the gun from someone and they'd take it home every night...
As a construction worker or an engineer, you need to take a safety training for each new construction site you go on, even if it's your 40th worksite. So I feel like it's not so hard to pin Baldwin for not taking the hour course properly.
In a civil suit maybe, but for criminal charges you'd have to prove that he did blow off the course and the shooting was a direct result of him blowing off the course. Both are just very hard to prove.
"Yeah he blew off this years mandatory training, but he showed up to last years training, it can't be his fault!".
Idk that doesn't really seem like a valid excuse
We're talking manslaughter charges here, Baldwin's lawyer doesn't have to prove he's not at fault, the prosecution has to prove without a reasonable doubt that he is at fault. Very different things.
He has both criminal and civil charges being brought against him though, and the civil charges have a much lower standard. He might not be charged with manslaughter, but still be liable as the one at fault
Yeah for sure, but I mean the context of this conversation is him being actually charged.
But if he has so much experience with guns on movie sets, then he knows how to property handle firearms safely, and if he followed proper gun safety he wouldn't have shot anyone