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Oh FFS. This had better be an extremely limited response to Iran's response to Israel's bombing of an embassy. Here's hoping it's just the same type of symbolic attack that Iran made last weekend - all show and no intent. Just Israel refusing to let anyone else have the last word.
Anything more serious and things are about to become very messy and even more expensive. Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so. Lord knows they don't seem necessary if the only goal is to keep blowing up Palestinians.
Forgive what feels like a nitpick, but we should take a moment for wider historical scorn. WaPo at the end of March:
Biden owns the fuckup, but it comes after all the shit Israel put the administrations of Dubya, Obama, and Individual 1 through, and after all the atrocities upon the Great March of Return and the other surges of conflict. The planes could fill another allies’ order, the MIC could get their warbucks, and Joey could have kicked the can down the road, but here we are.
why the fuck do they have f-35s?
the Americans aren't even giving peripheral NATO countries f-35's, are they?
why the fuck are they getting f-35's?
even RPing as an american imperialist, I cannot think of a reason other than 'for the evulz'.
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ugh that makes sense.
is... is Donald trump the less apocalyptic option?
are you serious?
that's why I'm fucking shocked. all biden has to do is just fucking... well at this point he needs to glass the shit hole, but all he had to do last month was stop.
Yes, the US nuking Israel would definitely be less apocalyptic…
they aren't going to stop escalating until they literally can't. just cut to the end and minimize harm to the rest of us.
Damn. 80 year old man was not the easy fight i thought it was gonna be.
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What do you mean by "peripheral" NATO countries? If you mean NATO countries other than the US, then I can inform you that some do have F-35 jets.
feel like youre missing the point here, maybe kind of on purpose.
You did ask a question that I attempted to answer... That does not entail in any way that I did not understand the other stuff you wrote nor that I dismissed it.
no? like I know France helped design the thing, so obviously they're getting them, but I know Poland and turkey dont have them yet, and I dont think they're going to soon.
the point is theyre not going to the people who serve amrrica's military interests.
Poland waiting has little to do with politics and more to do with when contracts were signed. They only signed in 2020.
Turkey is trying to develop their own 5th generation fighter after getting kicked out of the f35 program due to being a leaky sieve sending data to the Russians. That's on them.
By and large, the wait elsewhere is mostly to do with the bad reputation the program got before it was operational. Now that it's all in the past and it's proving to be an excellent fighter, contracts with allies are coming in faster than they can be produced. That's the price of waiting.
both kind of the point anf completely missing the point;
there are NATO countries, including those on the border of an ongoing war they expect to join pretty soon, who dont have them. why the fuck are the kapostanis getting them? so they can start world war 3 better?
That's a fair point, no need to apologize for keeping me accurate. I had read and forgotten that detail honestly, because in my head I lump the two deals together - the other one being the new $18 billion contract for F-15s that Biden's administration is seeking approval for currently. I think I mentally shorthand it to "arrangements for new jets going to Israel" but there is definitely detail involved as you point out.
That's just a quid pro quo kickback between the corporatocracy.
"We'll channel more tax payer money through your military industrial complex if you let us continue with our nationalist ethnostate genocide... We may even start another gulf war and channel trillion$ more"
Measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation...
It's fucking hard but Isreal suffered minimally from Iran's bullshit aggression - Netanyahu could "be the bigger man" without losing any face.
Real leaders - real manly men - real strong people of any stripe - those are the people who have the strength to forgive and compromise.
Israel bombed their embassy first, full stop. What are you on about? Iran had a right to defend itself.
Bibi, who has never shown a modicum of restraint when there’s potential for bloodshed, isn’t going to change course until the US forces him to by withholding funding. Considering how Zionist Biden and 2/3 of Congress are, that ain’t happening, so buckle up for some real shit “leadership,” Jack.
Was that first? The embassy bombing was certainly before Iran's counter attack but if you're searching for justification then it's not like Iran and Isreal were buddies before this. Iran has repeatedly funded Hezbollah launching rockets into Isreal and funded the Houthi rebels attacking shipping.
My point was that constantly retaliating is an unhealthy cycle and your take away was that "But actually it's okay if it's in retaliation." Wut.
And Bibi funded Hamas, his (now realized) end-goal being to destabilize the region and provide cover for further Israeli violence and land grabs from the indigenous people.
I agree with you on tit-for-tat bringing about undesirable results, but you lost me on “Iran’s bullshit aggression.” Israel is 6mo+ in all-out genocidal warfare on innocent Palestinian civilians, and still maintains this stems from their “right to defend themselves.” Iran on the other hand exercised immense restraint, coordinated with western powers, and executed a highly telegraphed counter-offensive focused exclusively on military targets in Israel as an overly nice way to say “please don’t bomb our stuff.” In this way I think Iran’s counter-attack was in fact beyond justified. Unless you meant it was bullshit in that it was entirely orchestrated, but I doubt that was your intent.
Netenyahu, being the absolute child that he is, had to strike again anyway. This is in fact unjustified and unprovoked, but to use your own terminology it appears Iran will be the “bigger man” and doesn’t plan on further hostile action. Again highly coordinated with the west, in order to walk on eggshells around the unhinged Israeli government.
The fact of the matter is this: Bibi is a far-right war mongering zealot who needs to be deposed immediately. The US is despicable for providing him cover the way they have. Despite who’s in charge in Israel, they at least offer their citizens basic social safety nets like universal healthcare and paid family leave. America doesn’t have these things, yet it can afford to send Israel 10s of billions to continue murdering brown children?! Israel are warmongers, and America is shameful for backing them.
Bombing consulates and embassies is a nazi move.
"Iran's aggression"
Another day another banger from sh.itjust.works
Iran was aggressive in their retaliation - how the fuck else would you describe launching rockets into another country?
Whether that retaliation was justified is separate from the fact that it was aggressive.
It killed 0 unlike the Israeli attack. Pls zip it back up after you are done.
Au contraire, it was defense and very mild at that. If Israel can kill 40,000+ people because "wE hAvE a rIgHt tO dEfEnD oUrSeLvEs" Iran absolutely can volley some missiles in response to Zionist actions
Neither is justified.
No, it is extremely justified to respond to an attack on an embassy
It's also extremely justified to respond to someone launching missiles at you. Are you really that much of an idiot that you can't see how this ends or are you just arguing in bad faith?
No? If you start the aggression and get a response can you actually fault the other party????
Yea so about half a century ago Iran started some aggression against Isreal, or maybe Isreal's existence was an aggressive move against Iran?
I don't know, which one was at fault originally?
Not sure about Iran but it certainly was aggressive to Palestinians
It's certainly not 300 drones and rockets.