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When i was in high school 2003, my physics class devoted an entire period to a military recruiter... Sufficed to say, only the redneck kids were interested.
That's mostly what they're looking for anyways. They don't want educated people who question the world around them, they want connon fodder.
Yeah they want dumbasses running their nuclear submarines and troubleshooting electronics.
Only like ten percent of the military is infantry.
Those people they just entice with crazy checks and promises of leaving academia
Irrelevant, the original point was that they don't want people who think, they want cannon fodder. As if people who can't think would be capable of running a shop or leading technically minded people in workflows and processes that will affect missions weeks away. That's just at the E-4/5 level, not even close to officers. If you can't think in the military you'll forever be bottom of the barrel, because planning and forethought is required for virtually all leadership roles beyond E-3.
90% of the military is in a field that has a direct civilian equivalent and is considered skilled work needing at least average intelligence and in most cases above. Most of the people shitting on the military in this thread couldn't even hack half of the jobs the military needs people for.
They don't want dumbasses there either. Turns out when your war is a silent game of hide and seek where the loser dies you have to be kind of smart.
I know that to be true, but if someone is claiming all enlisted personnel are window lickers the best way to prove them wrong immediately is to focus on the technical skill of the average servicemen.
Yeah infantry tactics aren't for the stupid, not in modern wars at least. Advanced weapon systems and battlefield strategy require someone of reasonable intellect.
Those guys that run the nuclear subs and electronics are 0.1% and the rest are grunt workers or data entry.
We had literally thousands of people going to school for electronics and various maintenance fields at any given time, it's not even close to 0.1%. More like 20-30%.
Out of 1.4 million I'll give ya the thousands in electronics but it ain't 20%
Thousands in training at any one time, there's tens of thousands actually in the fleet.
You think over 200000 people are high level tech people in the military? Lol
Yes, absolutely. Who do you think is fixing all the tanks, ships and planes? You think we outsource that shit?
For every person who fights there are ten who fix their various equipment. Go look up AFSCs and Navy rates and at least half are directly maintenance related.
Every branch has fixed wing aircraft and helicopters, Army and Marines have ground vehicles that need repaired, and the Navy has ships and submarines jam packed with warfare and fire control electronics. It's crazy you think otherwise and it's obvious you have no actual knowledge.
You can look up the numbers, each year 6000 people are trained in repair by the united states military, that's not 200000. The united states military contracts 350000 civilians for contract work. The united states military only gets about 60000 new people a year, that's still not 200000 people. I'm not saying there are not educated people in the military I'm just saying it isn't 200000. According to you we need 200000 highly educated people to fix our 5,500 tanks, and 13000 planes. Your numbers just don't make sense
I didn't say 200,000 people were trained every year, you did. What's the total volume of the military at any point in time per capital that are in maintenance roles? Whether that's the FC's who fix CIWS or the AS's who repair electrical issues on support equipment, everyone who uses tools to fix something.
Our squadron had almost 100 people in maintenance for 7-10 aircraft depending on mission requirement, that's not even counting I level who fixed the circuit boards and did soldering which we never even saw. If you saw maintenance to flight hours depicted on a spreadsheet you'd realize it's not remotely unrealistic for that many people to be in maintenance. Plus, planes and tanks make up less than half of the equipment that needs fixed, what about all the other vehicles infantry uses? The hundreds of ships the Navy uses? How many airman work on nuclear missiles and satellites?
You're blindspots in how many things need repaired are huge, and your assessment of how many people it takes to fix one plane or one tank is totally off.
You said 20% which would be a little more then 200000. The current military is roughly 1.4 million people. I have no blind spot in how much repair things need but you have a blindspot in the actual technical training required to repair. Most jobs are hyper focused and dummy proof. You are saying over 200000 military people are highly skilled and trained in high tech which is simply not true. Majority is grunt work any yockle could do. There is a reason they have been lowering the education levels required, it's because you just don't need a lot of brain power to follow orders and perform basic tasks repetivly
Correct, however I never said that was the amount trained per year which is the only data you've shown. I'm not arguing your math, you're just misrepresenting the problem.
That depends heavily on branch, in the Air Force one guy takes a tire off and another installs it. In the Navy the guy running Quality Assurance checks on your engine swapout might be the guy fueling your plane or launching you out. Same with the Marines.
It's true that the job of removal and installation is fairly dummy proof given you can read and follow instructions, but actually being able to lay out a schematic/circuit diagram and troubleshoot? Absolutely not lol get the fuck out of here.
I agree that the laying out the schematic is someone who is trained and has a high level skill set. My entire point is that for every 1 smart guy that is trained to do advanced jobs you have 20 dumb guys who are trained to mop the boat. You think that over 20% is the schematics guy and I'm saying LOL that isn't true, you get fucked, your only "proof" is while when I was in a team of 6 guys who were real smart and trained good so I know the whole military. I gave you verifiable numbers that you say don't matter. I also gave you civilian numbers and that only 6000 people are trained a year on tank and airplane maintenance in the united states military.
You gave me numbers that show how many new people are trained in maintenance, you gave zero information about how many people in the military TOTAL are maintenance personnel. I've explained why your numbers are meaningless already.
We don't train people to mop the boat, everyone does that. That's my point, every skilled technician also does the menial shit, we just take turns doing it. You don't know that because you aren't in the military, or you'd be aware of things like duty section and watch rotation, and how cross trained people are.
Imagine having the money and space to have someone who's only job is swabbing a deck, ridiculous. I'll take my experience and just fuck off I guess because someone looked up the incorrect statistic for the argument and thinks it proves their point.
Hey listen, it's OK you think everyone is a trained super genius who is in the military, my only fucking point was you over estimating how many are trained specialist in high tech fields, I said .01% you said 20-40%. I gave you a few percent and will agree on max maybe 10%. And if you dont think the military spends a lot of money on BS or menial jobs I have a bridge to sell you, and proof is they have highly trained tech geniuses wasting time moping floors instead of using their genius for more important things. The military is known for wasteful spending, like spending 10000 on a single screw because they can so I wouldn't put it past them to pay a person to just mop. And as for my numbers they all can be found on the dod website you fucking dipshit. Enjoy the military, hopefully you don't get sent off to die for some rich people