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submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by doublepepperoni@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/1349107017152020480

Just for fun, listen to the clip and guess if Matt makes the case for fascism in it.

For extra fun, read the replies

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[-] ProfessionalSlacker@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago

Probably controversial here, but as annoying as these libs are, this analysis from Matt is dogshit. "Commentary doesn't have a material impact on politics" is a completely banal observation that he cynically employs to dismiss any sort of criticism that he's failed to properly identify the class character of the riots.

[-] BasedGiraffe@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago

Do you mind explaining how he’s failed to properly identify the class character of the riots? He’s mentioned it being largely petite-bourgeois small business owners (etc) with a mix of others because it’s not centered around class, because America does not experience life through the lens of class.

In what way do you think there is a class nature to this that goes beyond that? To me this is entitled white people throwing a temper tantrum like their sports team lost, with probably some cops and a small handful of others who actually would do more if the mass had more militancy

[-] ProfessionalSlacker@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago

It's that he's identified them as petite-bourgeois but seems to believe that they don't have class consciousness that is baffling to me. These people are completely aware that the state exists to serve their interests and their primary issue with the Biden victory is that its contingent on the working class having any say in politics at all. It's why they have people literally saying "why are the police shooting us, they are supposed to be shooting BLM" and wearing "Camp Auschwitz" shirts. He seems to want to depoliticize their motives because it would mean admitting that there is any daylight between the slow creep towards fascism under Democrats and the complete seizure of power for the capitalist class under these extremists, and when pressed on it he just starts shrieking at the camera that none of it matters and everyone needs to log off, like a baby throwing their toys out of the pram.

[-] BasedGiraffe@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

The petite-bourgeois doesn’t have class consciousness though, because if they did they would have gone to do this as a more concrete class movement, which this wasn’t even if the DC protests disproportionately made up of members of the petite-bourgeoisie.

If they were conscious, they would have gone en masse with the explicit purpose of making more demands than keeping Trump in power. Even if they believe Trump is better for them, this still isn’t class consciousness because they would need to have an understanding of their actual class relation, not just “less regulation more good”.

The pandemic decimated and swallowed huge numbers of petite-bourgeois small businesses and landlord operations, which will be scooped up by the bourgeoisie. These chuds have no fucking idea Trump’s management of the pandemic was more harmful to their class standing than Biden drooling behind Fauci would be.

They have no idea what their actual class interests are. Just because the source of their (increasing and relative*) immiseration is distinct from the lower classes doesn’t mean they get it. These were reactionary hogs who wanted Trump as part of cultural domination, and were simply more petite-bourgeois because they had disproportionate access to travel to DC.

They milled around like a class field trip only with approval from the police to have some fun. They’re not class conscious.

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