cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/51582749
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2026
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I love how the most basic social democratic(at best) policies in the US are framed as "socialism"
The idea of the "undeserving" getting anything provided to them gets a lot of people very angry here. And then those same people probably:
If they're opposed to "socialism" as Fox News uses the term because some of the recipients aren't "deserving", they have started far from the words attributed to Jesus and God in the Christian Bible.
https://biblerepository.com/bible-verses-about-socialism/
Matthew 25:35
(And if you think this quote is out of context, go read the chapter. Jesus is depicted literally telling his followers that to get into heaven they need to take care of the poor.)
But like only for the deserving(right skin colour) poor's right? /S
I'm so happy that Fox News basically broke the overton window.
So many good and honestly just common sense things have been declared "SOCIALISM!!!1!ELEVEN!!" that some Fox viewers are now going: "You know, that socialism thing don't sound half bad." That's the shit that happens when you overuse your scary word to describe positive things. Eventually you're advertising for your opponents.
The US never recovered from the Red Scare and McCarthyism. I’d even argue that both of those things entrenched US society into propaganda even more.
Technically it is, no? Socialism is community ownership of the means of production which includes labor. And that can arguably be extended to socialized services for labor such has healthcare, public transportation, and grocery stores.
Social democracy is not socialism by any metric, socialism starts at ownership of the means of production by workers, and a state that works for the proletariat and not capitalists. That's the starting point, from there you can then add whatever social programs on top, but if you don't start from there you're still in a bourgeois democracy
I disagree, socialist institutions or services can still exist within a capitalist government, even if it is piecemeal. There doesn't have to be a threshhold to pass for some aspect to be considered socialism.
To expand upon you: examples of such institutions or policies would be free healthcare, universal basic income, but also places like libraries. You could even call (financial) support for housing & children, as well as progressive taxes socialist - despite the system in which they exist being capitalist.
And often times it's capitalists implementing (slightly) social policies to take arguments away from their opposition.
Germany has the oldest socialized healthcare system in the world (and it shows its age) because Otto von Bismarck needed to take that talking point away from the left.
Leftists who keep looking down on liberals are just as bad as the liberals the meme is about.
Nah liberals are fucking stupid. Go suck a billionaire dick for a campaign donation.
This attitude is why the right is winning. The left, both leftists and liberals, would rather keep gatekeeping what counts as left than actually make any progress to the left.
Liberals are NOT leftist. Leftism begins at anti capitalism.
Naw, the right was winning because the liberals were not representing the people's wishes. Being more vocal can only help the left win.
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Trust me, those noises are coming from the people eating up the liberal vs leftist propaganda.
That’s you. You think liberals are leftists.
You should work on your reading comprehension. I never said that. I said that I think they should stop fighting each other.
Because you think they’re on the same side. They aren’t. Liberals are right of center. Why the fuck would leftists compromise with right wing politics?
Because the alternative is letting the far right win.
Liberals support everything the far right is doing. They’re part of the ratchet that prevents actual leftward momentum from ever occurring. Fuck liberals.
Yes they are, and so is this attitude from leftists. As long as both sides remain stubborn the far right will continue to win.
Lmao you are really fucking stupid if you think calling out right wing shitheads for being right wing shitheads is blocking movement to the left. Fuck you chud.
And you are really fucking stupid if you think you can take the world left against the will of half the people while also being shitty toward those people. Fuck you asshole.
No, they really aren't.
We don't look down on liberals. They are our enemies. Underestimating the enemy is key to losing any battle.
Some guy: "Hey, can we move the overton window to the left? We need to talk about socialized healthcare and common sense welfare programs so the poors don't starve."
Lemmy.ml: "YOU ARE THE ENEMY! FASCIST FASCIST! Social Democracy is just there to keep the revolution from happening!"