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Fucking protest at the very least. When other countries try authoritarian shit you have millions of people protesting in the capital for days on end.
We've been protesting weekly in Minnesota for half a year now. Since the ICE stuff started.
From the scarce videos I can find the weekly protests they appear to be in the order of dozens of people, not the hundreds of thousands or millions that are necessary to even have a chance at making a difference.
Great. You’re participating in democracy. That’s what you’re supposed to be doing during the BEST of times.
Try doing something.
Great, you’re expressing great frustration without explaining any specific details.
Try telling us what to do.
You’re not asking what to do. You’re asking what performative nonsense you can do that requires no sacrifice or risk on your part but allows you to feel less guilty. Fuck off.
I speak for me. I’m asking.
From one complete stranger to another.
Tell me what you expect of me? If I were good and brave and resilient, what would I be doing?
What should I do?
Have you tried talking with your friends and family about the possibility or necessity of doing a general strike and hurt the ruling class right in their wallet? I think that's the first step. You can figure out everything else after.
We all know a general strike would be effective.
How do we effectively plan one?
Participation is always the obstacle with that. How do you convince a population of comfortably numb first world Americans who live paycheck to paycheck, to stop earning their only source of income for days to weeks?
Clearly you're not reading what I said. I didn't say plan a general strike.
So you’re just being pedantic and difficult because that’s what you do, and you never actually had anything constructive to add.
Got it.
No, my point literally has nothing to do with planning a general strike. It seems you were not actually interested in listening to suggestions and would rather assume what people are talking about and then get angry when they point out you missed their point instead of asking for clarification. This comment of yours is the one that is void of any constructive value.
I noticed you still haven’t told me what you did mean when you said talking about a general strike with friends and family without planning a general strike.
Were you thinking a top 10 best general strikes of all time and just discussing your ratings?
We could do some heartfelt slam poetry about it.
Maybe don’t chime in with criticism of a lack of action, if you have no fucking idea what action should be taken.
How about that?
You never asked in the first place and just assumed what I meant. Why would I waste time explaining shit to someone not interested in listening? Am I supposed to beg you to listen to my suggestion?
And you're still doing it, putting words in people's mouth and being generally aggressive for no fucking reason. Nah, why would I waste my time on this when you're clearly just here to play victim. I responded in the first place because you said you are willing to listen to ideas, but I should have known better.
I’m sorry the world made you this way.
I shouldn’t pick on you. I was wrong.
The truth is I’m sick and fucking tired of people levying hollow criticisms at one another, and looking for chances to feel superior rather than to feel helpful.
Your first comment read as exactly that to me. It felt like you just wanted to shit on the working poor for not magically figuring out how to peacefully defeat a government coup… with no money or influence, in a media environment that’s highly filtered and even just censored at times.
We don’t know how many US soldiers have died in this war. When news happens that doesn’t fit the MAGA narrative, networks don’t air it.
Short of “hoping the guard rails hold” or marching up to the white house in massive droves à la World War Z or something… I don’t see how we stop them.
Which comment of mine have you that impression? The first one in this specific thread was simply answering your question about what I'd recommend.
My answer was in the context of the many comment on here about the difficulty of organising a general strike in America, and so I recommended for people to first gauge the level of awareness of the people closest to them on the severity of the situation and whether they have thought about participating in a general strike.
Only with that knowledge would you know what the problem you're dealing with, at least within your local circle, and what method you need to raise their awareness to your level. That's all my point was.
That’s reasonable.
I’m just scared and angry and fucked up and I lashed out at you because it felt good.
I hope I had no effect on your day. Sorry.
It's all good. I have no reason to stay mad at someone admitting fault and apologising. I hope you guys can improve your situation so that you don't have to feel this scared and angry so constantly. I feel both just looking in from the outside, so I can't imagine how much worse it feels like from the inside.
You have no idea.
I’m an Army Veteran actually, and this whole thing pisses me off so much.
I feel like the America I was sold in my younger years is gone and it’s become so warped and twisted that it’s not even recognizable.
But another part of me knows that a lot of what I believed was actually never true, in retrospect.
I want to feel proud of my country again one day.
I don't know what to say that would make you feel better. I just hope you get your wish, someday.
Your patience with an antagonistic stranger is all the warmth and hope I need for a good while.
Thanks for taking the time and risk being real with an anonymous internet person.
Edit: I'm clearly going to get down voted into oblivion, but that doesn't really matter. What does matter is that if you are a US citizen, protest AFTER the upcoming election if you are going to do it. Especially if you are in a "red" state We need to remove as much of the veneer of legitimate as possible from this administration. If you protest now, there is a risk your vote gets removed. Don't listen to dumb fucks from other countries who have no concept of the social issues of the US. They don't even understand the moral, economic, and social issues around tipping. Their opinions are invalid. VOTE. It probably won't work, but we can always protest etc. After. This act now right before midterms bs is just ignorance or psy-ops.
Original post below: He's doing this to create civil unrest so he can declare martial law. You are suggesting people take action that aids that goal.
Oh? Well just sit back and let the fascists take over without so much as raising a finger to stop them 👍
Ah yes, some 5d chess move to invoke martial law. From the same guy that has already deployed the national guard and has his goons shooting people daily.
HA!
What a shit eating people, you are already at that stage, this administration has clearly shown they need nothing based in reality to do anything. They just do it, and say things.
So In don't get it? You say it well invoke Marshall law then say they don't need a reason to invoke it.
What in the broken spell check are you trying to say? I can not parse it, sorry.
He has ICE arresting "illegal aliens," that's being protested. ICE has killed protesters, that is also getting protested. The issue is that bastardization of our education system has lead to a large amount of the population believing that ICE is doing the right thing. Because they are racists. We aren't fighting Rump or his administration, we are fighting an increasing in size radical white national group within the US.
Europe is also racist. It's just that the people have learned that it is better to side with each other than the aristocrats. The US built its entire image on not having aristocrats while that group consolidated power and pinned the population into racial infighting to prevent notice. Are problems are different
Also, if you are in Europe then you have your own problems. When I look in to it there is always all kinds of fucked up shit. US citizens just don't care because we are up our own ass. I would say you care because you are up our ass too, but the US probably has a military base in your country or an adjacent country. And you or that country probably fucking like it. If we are so bad, so far gone, fight that. You are commenting on us getting fucked and we are literallyinside most of Europe. Fight that you self-righteous cowards. If you did, it would make it easier for us to fight in our country. But you won't because your fucking scare.
Wow, that's a lot of odd deflection. Not European though so that whole tirade just came off as weird and anti Europe. Its a wonder americans are shocked the world does not like them.
You cowards have been using this line for cover for more than a year now, and continue to be steamrolled every day.
Just keep your head down, yeah? Everything will just work out if you stay peaceful.
No, protests could (and should) have happened earlier. They also have.
The No Kings protests occurred but caused little social changes. Given that the US doesn't have the same social support system of other countries, it is difficult for most people to protest for an extended time without essentially destroying their own life.
Due to rampant racism, the Black Lives Matter protests simply resulted in most white people taking personal offense instead of actually comprehending the systematic bias US society has against blacks and minorities.
Occupy Wallstreet lasted pretty long, but was co-opted by fringe social movement groups and homeless plants by police. And that happened during the presidency of everyone's favorite Dep president darling, Obama.
My point is that protesting right now, during an election period, instead of just fucking voting doesn't make much sense given that US society has very clearly marched to this point with everyone aware.
Afterwards, when the system clearly doesn't work, and/if we are still fascist, sure let's fucking riot.
With regard to the "coward" comment. If you aren't in the US, you likely don't have the same social political, economic, or societal factors in place so you can't really judge.
Also, more crudely, if other countries had got off sucking US dick decades ago, it would have removed US soft power, wealth, and resources, and allowed internal social movements to have more weight. As example, we wouldn't be able to amass such a large military if other countries hadn't allowed the US to be their police. So, kindly fuck off and fix you own damn problems so we can do the same, though probably slower because of you cowardly enabling fucks.
I hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but if the elections aren’t free and fair, the protests don’t matter anymore.
We’re down to the last box, and I doubt the comfiest humans who’ve ever lived will give up all that comfort to do political violence and risk dying or spending life in prison.
We are all comfortably numb. Things have to get uncomfortable. Until then, the masses won’t do shit.
I’m not reading your excuses.
No one asked you to. Stop worrying about us politics and worry about your own country. I just found out most of Europe is burning up in a heatwave. And that shit sucks. Maybe look into that. Or don't.
Unfortunatly we know your social issues more then our own. People can quote stuff from your constitution but not our own. We drown in the shit you putout.