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So I actually bothered logging on for this instead of just lurking. I have immediate family in what was formerly eastern Ukraine.
OP- are you from Ukraine or are you culturally Ukrainian? I ask because there is a sharp divide for Ukrainians between Western Ukraine vs Eastern Ukraine. In general Ukrainian immigrants tend to be much wealthier and have left Ukraine during the soviet era for similar reasons you see many wealthy people leave in countries that became socialist.
If that is not your history, then okay, but I have had many people who say they are Ukrainian arguing with me on :reddit-logo: who have claimed this and tried to paint the Ukrainian government as victims instead of aggressors.
The current Ukrainian government is fascist and came into power during a NATO-backed coup disguised as a color revolution. It has murdered protestors, committed war crimes, and oppressed LGBTQ+ people. The neo-nazis are in the Ukrainian government, especially the military. Many socialists in the military defected in the east to the DPR and LPR. I won't talk about Kievan Rus, I agree that is nonsense and it does not matter.
Of course not, he has never. He is acting in self-interest because Ukraine and the US are escalating violence. Do you remember the lethal aid Biden sent? Where do you think that lethal aid went? Who do you think it was shot at?
Putin is a corrupt bastard. I think many on this site cannot tell the difference between not viewing him as satanic vs licking his boot. I wasn't going to try to argue this until your post came up.
Yes, the working class of The Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) have been for the last 8 years attacked and murdered by the Ukrainian military in violation of the Minsk agreements.
Ukraine is an imperialist puppet state and being manipulated by United States. There is hope if more people's republics spring up. I have many criticism of DPR and LPR (both are awful with queer rights), but I am not so idealist that I think either of those is communist or perfect.
They just have more chance at liberation when allowed self-determination. Ukraine is divided as a country and has been for almost a decade. I hope it survives, but it must be with a new government.
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My family were refugees but were from the western portion of the country. They emigrated in the 50s and according to my aunt, they were essentially starving. I wish I knew a little bit more about their status in the Soviet Union. We actually found their refugee application papers on a Nazi persecution site recently. My grandparents met in a Nazi labor camp.
Which is why I’m sickened by the Ukrainian government being overrun by neo Nazis at some of the highest levels. Not even two generations away from being enslaved by Nazi Germany.
I’m also not trying to justify any actions the Ukrainian govt. has down toward regions in the east and I’m sorry if it seemed that way. And thank you for pointing out the crimes the Ukrainian government has done toward the eastern regions.
Are you like 70 years old lol, how can you even remember what it's like
They’re not Ukrainian, they’re a 3rd generation American that wants to speak for Ukrainians.