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Full disclosure, I live in Africa and don't have a dog in this fight. I like proper discourse and it's alright if I and another person disagree on something, what is important is that we communicate and understand where the other is coming from. The ultimate goal is the satiation of needless and avoidable suffering for all minds.

I've only been on Lemmy for a few days but across any sub I've noticed any criticism of China or the CCP is met with immediate downvotes and anything remotely positive of the US or really any western country whatsoever meets a similar fate.

Anything pro-African is mostly neutral but in essence ignored, no upvotes, no downvotes, no comments.

Has anyone else noticed this? Am I completely off base here? And is there anything else here that seemingly gets downvoted automatically. It would be sad to see the fediverse and Lemmy be nothing more than just another echo chamber on the web.

Finally, I am posting this assuming it will also be downvoted to hell based on the title alone and that itself will be some monochrome of truth of the situation here.

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[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why I came to Lemmy. Sure open source and decentralized and all that too. But somebody on reddit described Lemmy as "Leftist Reddit" and I said count me in!

[–] Imperious_melange@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm very in favor of personal freedom and decreasing wealth inequality. I wouldn't say either of those stances have anything to do with China or the CCP, particularly in the current context.

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I’m very in favor of personal freedom

And what "freedoms" do you enjoy in the USA / The West (yes I realize you said you're from Africa)? The freedom to choose between two capitalist/fascist warmongers every 2-4 years in your elections? The freedom to have the police state protect private property over humans? The freedom to wage wars on the global south? The freedom to fund and aid in genocide? The freedom to be overworked and underpaid while billionaires extract every ounce of wealth from countries and workforces? The freedom to go into lifelong debt for basic human rights (housing, health, education)?

The majority of Chinese actually believe that China is more free than the United States ... this is more important than whatever a Western-funded "Freedom Index" claims.

decreasing wealth inequality

The CPC (not CCP) lifted 800 million people from abject poverty and have effectively eliminated extreme poverty in the country. China also has higher home ownership rates than the US, higher effective literacy rate, lower infant mortality, lower rates of suicide and gun violence, lower obesity, ... While billionaires exist in China, they do not (and cannot) control/influence government, and corporations do not extract wealth from key industries.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 22 hours ago

I would love to have a calm, rational conversation about China with someone who knows more about it than I do. This thread isn't going to be the place for that. Can you recommend a community on Lemmy for learning about the Chinese political system, life in China, and specifically how socialism with chinese characteristics differs from other western ideas on the topic?

As a communist, and one from the US, the idea that billionaires can exist but are incapable of influencing the political sphere just... Does not compute for me. And while I do not expect to change my position to the point where I'm okay with billionaires existing, I am willing to learn. I did not understand Cuban democracy until I did.

[–] KssioAug@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Thank you! That's the difference between rhetorical freedom and substantive freedom.

What gets me is how people will look at China's poverty alleviation (actual material liberation from hunger and desperation) and call that "authoritarianism". Meanwhile, the US lets people die of treatable illnesses, go bankrupt from medical bills, and drown in student debt... and for some reason that's perceived as natural.

And on wealth inequality, you're right. The CPC doesn't let billionaires write policy the way the Kochs, Bezos, or Musk do, which shouldn't be acceptable anywhere in the world.