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The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

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[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

High-status rats have minions to order their lunches, pick up their shopping, and inflate their bike tires and yell at them if they make mistakes https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BGLu3iCGjjcSaeeBG/related-discussion-from-thomas-kwa-s-miri-research

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

From the post linked therein:

There's this thing Nate and Eliezer do where they proclaim some extremely nonobvious take about alignment, say it in the same tone they would use to declare that grass is green, and don't really explain it.

Gambling? In this establishment?!

Nate thinks in a different ontology from everyone, and often communicates using weird analogies

This feels like a misuse of the word ontology, but what do I know?

when Nate thinks you don't understand something or have a mistaken approach, he gets visibly distressed and sad. I think this conditioned us to express less disagreement with him. I have a bunch of disagreements from his world model, and could probably be convinced to his position on like 1/3 of them, but I'm too afraid to bring them all up and if I did he'd probably stop talking to me out of despair anyway.

Wow, that's a bad research supervisor.

The structure where we would talk to Nate 4h/day for one out of every ~6 weeks was pretty bad for feedback loops. A short meeting every week would have been better, but Nate said this would be more costly for him.

Wow, that's a bad research supervisor.

(Every functional research group I've been part of has had weekly staff meetings. Even the undergrads were encouraged to participate and got at least that much talking time with the professor.)

In my frustration at the lack of concrete problems I asked Nate what research he would approve of outside of the main direction. We thought of two ideas [...] I worked on these on and off for a few months without much progress, then went back to Nate to ask for advice. Nate clarified that he was not actually very excited about these directions himself, and it was more like "I don't see the relevance here, but if you feel excited by these, I could see this not being totally useless".

Wow, that's a bad research supervisor.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago

This feels like a misuse of the word ontology, but what do I know?

They keep doing it and it drives me mad!! I finally understood that they got the word from computer shit and not philosophy. Isn’t it just amazing? Here we thought they were vaguely aware of established philosophical concepts for a second!

[–] maol@awful.systems 7 points 12 hours ago

D: Not only does this community have a missing stair, but they're all explaining to each other how to avoid the missing stair, and the missing stair is in the chat replying to comments?!

[–] maol@awful.systems 5 points 12 hours ago

So much debate about whether his employer was diligent enough at tyre-pumping when the obvious solution is "pump your own tyres yourself, you buffoon"

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

What The Shit

I've been dating Nate for two years (tho wanna clarify we are not doing marriage-kids and we're both actively looking for more serious other partners).

Nate is profoundly wonderful in many ways, like often surprises me in new ways of wonderfulness, and has raised my standards in partners. He's deeply caring, attentive, competent, hilarious, and of course brilliant.

[…]

Iirc he's explicitly said he doesn't respect my thinking (edit: he clarifies he respects it in some areas but not others)

The way these people are larping conflict resolution is so exhausting aaaaaaa please can you just do normal abuse

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago

From elsewhere in the comments:

... I am constantly aware that having an angry outburst is massively socially unacceptable, to the point where if I let such things happen regularly I would lose my job / my standing in the community / all my friends / everyone close to me. This creates an extremely strong incentive for me to self-regulate at least my outward reactions, even when it's really hard. But because Nate is so high-status, he is allowed to make such outbursts without being faced with losing his job, his standing in the community, or his friends. This means he is insufficiently incentivized to self-regulate, and thus has been unable to learn.

High-status? Why?!! Jesus H. Fuck, I hope that if anyone ever gives me a get-out-of-social-consequences-free card, it's for a better reason than my blogging.