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Ukraine expands conscription, removes medical exemptions for HIV, hepatitis, mental disorders and more (archive.ph)

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Now, the words and figures "with the exception of articles 2-c, 4-c, 5-c, 12-c, 13-c, 14-c, 17-c, 21-c and 22-c" have been removed from the Regulation, i.e. everyone will be recognised as fit under the "controversial" articles:

2-c – clinically treated tuberculosis;

4-c – viral hepatitis with minor functional impairment;

5-c – asymptomatic HIV carrier;

12-c - slowly progressive and non-progressive with minor functional impairment and rare exacerbations of anaemia, blood clotting disorders, purpura, haemorrhagic conditions, other diseases of the blood and haematopoietic organs, and some disorders involving the immune mechanism;

13-c - diseases of the endocrine system with minor functional disorders;

14-c - mild, short-term, painful manifestations of mental disorders;

17-c - neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders with moderate or short-term manifestations, with an asthenic state;

21-c – slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system with minor functional disorders;

22-c – episodic and paroxysmal disorders, except for epilepsy, with minor impairment of organ and system functions.

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[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 93 points 1 year ago

It doesn't feel like a great idea to conscript those with mental health issues heavily impacted by stress.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 68 points 1 year ago

Could always be used in administrative roles

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True. I always read conscription and think "sent to the frontlines", but there's a lot of logistics and support that goes into an army.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

My dad got drafted during Vietnam, and landed himself a position doing some supply/logistics stuff and basically spent his whole time chilling in Kentucky doing warehouse and office stuff. Admittedly he also did his damnedest on every aptitude test, evaluation, etc. they gave him to make himself out to be a coward and play up any non-combat skills he had specifically trying to end up doing something like that.

There's of course a lot of differences between 'Nam and Ukraine, but at the end of the day every army throughout history has relied on a whole bunch of people who weren't on the front lines to make things work. You need a whole lot of mechanics, warehouse workers, pencil pushers, IT staff, cooks, medical staff, truck drivers, etc. and if you're able to use people who wouldn't be able to hack it physically/mentally/emotionally on the front lines to fill those roles, it's kind of a no-brainer so that soldiers who are able to do it aren't tied up behind the scenes when they're needed.

Of course it absolutely sucks for anyone who gets conscripted.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Somewhat similar to what happened to my grandpa. Technically wasn't drafted, he had buddy in the draft office gave him a heads up that'd it'd be a very good idea for him to enlist soon. He ended up as a supply officer in Okinawa and got to take my grandma with him. Good thing too (and largely why it happened), the man's eyesight is/was awful. He would've almost certainly been a dead man had he ever lost his glasses in combat

[-] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

It's a terrible idea and it tells me that all the propaganda were getting about Ukraine clearly winning and barely losing anyone is bullshit. They must be real desperate if they're conscription people with mental disorders.

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Look at the list and stop talking out your ass. Wars are won due to logistics, lots of paperwork and so on. Granted, the situation could be better, but let's not pretend Ukraine has its back against a wall.

They are still kicking Russia like nothing before.

Also, they are not just accepting any mental disorder, there are many disorders that may prevent someone to be in the front, but they don't prevent one to carry supplies from A-B in the back country. Wars are not just won through fights on the front.

[-] Pattern@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If they could read they’d be super shocked by who the Russians are conscripting.

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Who are the Russians conscripting?

[-] Pattern@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Both Wagner and the regular military have been conscripting criminals straight out of prison and sending them right into the meat grinder with little training and/or equipment.