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Poland bans sale of energy drinks to under-18s
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Probably not a bad idea in light of the Logan Paul situation
EDIT: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fda-asked-investigate-logan-pauls-energy-drink-prime-caffeine-6-coke-c-rcna93297
I was about to ask if he did something new, but then I realized that it wouldn't matter. That whole man is a "situation".
Excuse me, but this is "the situation".
Oh my god you're right, I vaguely remember that guy exists.
What did he do this time?
I just looked it up and dear god... Kids will drink it too.
I work in a grocery store in Europe and now that Prime is produced in Poland and it doesnt cost absurdly, I can say that mostly, if not only, kids are the ones drinking it.
Edit: I just got back to work and checked that my country's biggest chains only sell Prime Hydration, which is caffeine free.
I can definitely see the reason for the ban based on that alone.
Are you fucking kidding me? Christ. "not marketed for people under 18" my ass, they fucking know Logan's main audience are kids (idk about ksi but I suspect his is similar) and that kids are absolutely gonna drink their fucking caffeine nuke.
That's as much caffeine as 3 8oz cups of coffee, which doesn't seem that extreme to me.
Any large iced coffee from Dunkin has more caffeine.
Not extreme for a child?
Define "child." A 6 year old? I don't let my 6 year old drink pop at all. A 16 year old? Not a concern for me.
You would let your 16 year old chug 3 cups of coffee in one sitting?
People don't generally chug an iced coffee. I'd have many, many questions if she did.
Okay but the drink in question is the equivalent of drinking 3 coffee cups all in one go.
People also do generally not chug energy drinks.
But if you're drinking one drink that is the equivalent of 3 coffees, then even if you don't chug it, you'll still drink it faster than you would typically drink 3 coffees in a row, right? So it's the equivalent of chugging them in terms of caffeine uptake regardless. Unless they're taking over an hour to drink one energy drink, which the typical 16 year old isn't likely to do, it's like they're tossing back 3 coffees all in one sitting, something I personally wouldn't recommend for a 16 year old.
Idk man I fuckin slam coffee. I used to be an actual caffeine addict and now just have a slight problem with caffeine, but I like to think that helped me understand the risks.
My eldest is really good about moderation in general because her mom was a drug addict as well, so I might have a bit of a different parenting style than many.
When my cousin was 16 he once drank like 9 energy drinks in a row then threw up and punched a hole in the wall. He was grounded for a week after that. He did it just because he thought it'd be funny. It's been about 15 years since then and I can't say I think he learned a lesson from that.
I'm sure there are some responsible 16 year olds, but I definitely wouldn't trust the judgement of all of them.
And yet we let them drive lol
Why is it not a concern for you? Where did you get your medical degree from?
Because I can do math? I don't need a medical degree if I just read studies from people who have medical degrees.
As a layperson, I make decisions based on what scientists tell me, rather than thinking I know more than scientists.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6296805/
Can you show where that says that three cups of coffee in a row is safe for a child?
Again you need define "child" here.
For adolescents that's 100-175mg/day, equivalent to 1.5 Monster energy drinks, or a large iced coffee. Per studies, that's fine for a 12 year old but I wouldn't want my 12 year old drinking adult beverages with any regularity. I'd rather work on there sleep habits, etc.
Worth noting that higher caffeine take is associated with things like poor diet/etc, but not causally linked.
Per day and all at once are two different things. One is a concentrated dose, the other is spread out. You're not even accounting for that.
Do you have data showing speed on consumption is relevant? I honestly never considered and don't have any info
Do I have data that a solution is stronger when it is not diluted? Every chemistry book ever?
That's... Not how human body processes things.
My mistake for assuming this was a real conversation between interested people.
Really? So it's just as toxic to drink something in one dose as it is to drink it in several doses throughout the day? Weird, I wonder why medicine is spaced out across the day so often?
Many reasons! Sometimes to achieve stable levels, sometimes due to interactions with cellular processes.
Do you want to go into that? I can share what I know. You don't seem to be engaging in good faith tho :/
I'm just not understanding why something would be equally toxic if you took it all at once compared to taking a little bit at different times of the day. That really doesn't make sense when it comes to basic chemistry.
Well for instance protein doesn't matter for anything but an elite trainer, whether it is consumed in one portion or in many, or when throughout the day.
Carbohydrates do have a localized effect but the amount is definitely blown up for selling health fads.
As for me, I'm on some medications you take all at once and some taken throughout the day because the body processes them differently. Someone on insulin and someone with ADHD take their medicine quite differently, as an easy example.
I genuinely don't know with caffeine and am curious.
Because if you took less at a time your body will have already processed some of the previous dose before you take the next does. You shouldn't eat 5 pounds of black liquorice in one sitting because it's toxic in that amount, but you can safely have that amount spread out over time.
Imagine taking 6 ibuprofen all at once instead of taking 1 or 2 every few hours. That would absolutely not be a good idea.
Everything on earth that can be consumed has a dosage that is too high to safely take all at once, even water. You're not just pouring this stuff into an isolated beaker.
That was my point.
I may have responded to the wrong person lol woops.
You don't need a medical degree to have an opinion. Caffeine is a mostly harmless drug.
What do you base this on? What tests have you done or read? An opinion is not medical science.
Yes I said its an opinion, I made no claim it was medical science. My opinion is that in many cases, a teenager consuming reasonable amounts of caffeine is not something to worry about. I base this off of the knowledge I have of caffeine as someone who isn't a doctor. If you want a doctor's opinion, you should go to a doctor instead of the internet.
How is six times what is in a coke can a reasonable amount of caffeine?
200mg of caffeine is reasonable depending on body weight.
"The principle sources of caffeine intake among adolescents are sweetened coffee and energy drinks, with a daily caffeine intake below the current suggested maximum acceptable levels for adolescents (2.5 mg/kg body weight/day"
ophrp.org/journal/view.php?doi=10.24171/j.phrp.2018.9.6.01
Yes. Per day. This is one can.
If people are drinking more than one of these per day, that's a problem. It should be more like once every few days or optimally, never.
I doubt kids are following such a guideline.
Have you ever met a 16 year old with the self control to only ever have one of these sorts of drinks per day? Let alone a 16 year old fan of Logan Paul?
The answer to this question is always: 'who cares?'
In this instance, parents and pediatricians ^^'
What, never heard of morbid curiosity?