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One of the men goes for her phone. The other grabs at her hands. Ozturk screams. Shock and fear ripple through her voice. Two masked women join them, tugging at her backpack, peeling the straps from her shoulders. “I’m going somewhere, I need to call someone,” she pleads. “We’re the police. Relax,” one of the men says in response.

They surround her. Then, one by one, they pull their neck gaiters up to cover their faces. “You don’t look like police,” a voice off screen says. “Why are you hiding your faces?” The questions continue, but the figures don’t respond. Instead, they cuff Ozturk, cross the street, and put her in an unmarked SUV. She is gone.

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[–] MountainVeil@lemm.ee 97 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Defenseless is a good word, it seems like we're all just waiting for a savior to show up and rescue us. It doesn't help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now. What it feels like is the bystander effect on a national level.

The worst part is how many people either support or just brush it off.

[–] keen@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

After all that trashing of Russians and why they do not fight against their government, the world gets to see that Americans are basically the same: so many fall for the dumbest possible propaganda and the rest is either afraid or apathetic.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Humans are the same everywhere. Political structures and cultures are not, but humans have evolved for much longer.

Which is why when you (if you do) think about the EU being some land of honey, it would be wise to also think "what am I missing if I don't see similar problems there".

[–] keen@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

I agree. We had over 20% far right votes here in Germany recently. Russian propaganda is going strong, too. Somehow I hope that watching the rapid disassembly of the US under Trump should open the eyes of some of them, but I am grasping at straws here.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Americans see protest as pointless right now.

Americans have seen a generation of peaceful protests that were crushed and villified. Anti-WTO, Anti-Iraq War, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc; all failed to achieve any of their stated goals.

And now that the fascists have taken control, peaceful protest is even less effective. For peaceful protest to succeed your opponent must have empathy, and fascists have none.

The last protest movement that accomplished something substantial was the civil rights movement. It was not peaceful, it was militant. I think we need a modern Black Panther Party.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago

Exactly, you need armed protest.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago

For peaceful protests to succeed they must attract more people to the cause and gather momentum. Protests now would be useful for bringing people together and emboldening people to resist what's going on. They are a step in building a movement. To say "protests alone don't change things" misses this point.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

It doesn’t help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now.

It's the wheel of life:

  1. Protests help something, but they are hard, violent, inconvenient, people die, money is lost, but they achieve goals and generally people know that protests and breaking everything around is necessary. Cutting infrastructure, beating officials (including police) to pulp, closing roads. Stopping factories (ok, that's not a problem in the first world), stopping trucks and trains, stopping mail. Causing blackouts.

  2. To avoid that, people talk. They form mechanisms to avoid real protests, but these mechanisms are dependent on real protests. Like gold standard - it's supported by circulation, so if you can't fall back to gold, you can't really call it gold standard. It's the same with protests. Real democracy is dependent on falling back to protests and just killing a few of the government jerks who think they are some kind of thief aristocracy.

  3. People have long, really long period of questions being resolved by talking. And if it comes to protests, these are soft protests and they - mistake - become too subject for discussion, like let's not go to those streets, let's not hurt businesses, let's follow these rules and obey police.

  4. People get used to that.

  5. The protest gold standard is in fact abolished, you've been softly and slowly made a serf, congratulations.

  6. Try protesting now, you'll get absolutely abused for doing pretty normal things.

OK, I'm from Russia, here people looked at tanks on the streets of Moscow in a few crises and decided they are smart and wise to follow rules made by thieves and murderers.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

There have been weekly protests of this shit across the country since the asshole was elected. It’s not helping. And even the “opposition party” is capitulating to the bullshit. What else are we supposed to do?