this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2023
2000 points (99.2% liked)
Technology
73107 readers
3875 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related news or articles.
- Be excellent to each other!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
- Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.
Approved Bots
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
The far right is practically guaranteed to win the next presidential elections, a literal Nazi party has 90 MPs, moderate leftist politicians are being ostracized as "outside of the republican way".
So, not very well.
Geez! Why is this shit happening everywhere? It's like fascists got a direct connection to a lot of people's brains.
Billionaires buying newspapers and TV channels in order to propagate their ideas. They like fascism better than socialism.
My take is that there is a link to the fact that energy is getting harder to access
The economy is directly related to energy, economic growth is linked to energy consumption growth. As long as we had plenty of fossil fuel easily available to economy was booming, the "American dream" period was also the period when the US was had a lot of oil field easily exploitable.
Thanks to this fossil fuel energy life was getting better every year for everyone. Everyone was getting a "bigger slice of cake" every year. In this context we've seen a lot of social progress.
Now energy is less accessible and most of the economic growth is going toward the 1% - 0.1% richest. So the "slice of cake" is now stagnating or even shrinking for most of the population. In this context fascism is tempting.
Hot, but probably not too hot take: Other factors aside, people got dumber due to covid. They got literal brain damage. So when a reasonably intelligent person would be able to tell fascism as insustainable, they wouldn't after their second or so infection.
The timing is wrong. The pandemic happened, at least in part, because fascism was already here before it started.
Trump clearly is fascist (and so is Bolsonaro, for the sake of argument), but that's just two samples. Whereas e.g. france got rid of that Napoleon dude (you know who I mean) in favor of Macron.
I was making a much more narrow argument that the pandemic might have been averted entirely if not for the specific Trump policy I linked.
Possibly. Hard to tell how much time that would have bought.
The pandemic got exacerbated in the US because of Trump's dumbfuck negationist policies, but even countries with far tougher positions suffered pretty bad cases of COVID.
The CDC teams Trump shut down were designed to find new pathogens and stop them before they became pandemics. They might have prevented it from ever even leaving China and therefore saved the entire world from it, if they hadn't been dismissed.
There was no Covid until late 2019, Trump, Alex Jones, Putin and other’s followers can’t use it as a Defense.
I insist on the "literal Nazi" part. One of the founder of the party, Léon Gaultier, fought with the Nazi in a Waffen-SS unit during the second world war.
Using "Moderate leftist politicians" to depict Melenchon and its party is a very dubious take. And I won't ho into the use of "nazi" for convenience, refardless of the truth of the matter.
Melenchon is a normal leftist, not far left. He is a social-democrat. I wish he was as extremist as the right wing says he is.
RN is definitely a Nazi party. It was founded by collaborators. They cannot erase their history, and they are still close to violent neo-Nazis groups.
No. You could reasonably argue that the LFI program is social-democrat, but their internal democracy is a joke, and JLM himself consider the Venezuelian political system to be a model while being remarkably tolerant of Russia's imperialistic moves. This guy's a crypto-tankie.
As for the RN, there are a fair number of fascists in the party (and nazis too, but that's different), but they mostly seems there because there are no legal political formation further right. The voting base don't particularly support them, and even the high management is annoyed by their presence/visibility... Even is their tolerance of it is far too much for my taste.