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Now that the fascists have taken over, what books, academic studies, and pieces of knowledge should take priority in personal/private archival? I'm thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany, especially with the burning of the Institute for Sexual Science(Institut für Sexualwissenschaft) and what was lost completely in the burnings.

Some of us should consider saving stuff digitally or physically. Redundancies will help preserve stuff.

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[-] simple@lemm.ee 103 points 1 day ago

If you'd like to support archival in general, consider donating to https://archive.org/ . They regularly archive books and media that can be potentially banned. It doesn't hurt to download parts of the archive on your machine if you want to be extra sure, but keep in mind the internet archive is massive with petabytes of data.

[-] hollyberries@programming.dev 84 points 1 day ago

Archive is on American soil. They got sued for lending ebooks during the pandemic and lost, so they are not a safe bet. Archive elsewhere. Anywhere else.

[-] olsonexi@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Why can't humanity seem to learn that storing all of our knowledge and cultural artifacts in just one place with no backup is a BAD IDEA? Don't let the library of Alexandria burn again!

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 27 points 1 day ago

They really should relocate to Europe.

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Depebding on the country, Europe has significantly worse copyright law than the US, to the extent that archiving a web page is illegal.

Fun fact:

In Germany you have to pay a special tax for anything that could be used to violate copyright. It ranges from 0.10€ for USB sticks to 90€ for faster printers to 14,000,000€ for opening up a public library - all going to a bunch of publisher organizations.

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 1 points 5 hours ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

The shit show Germany has is well aware to me but also grants you the right to download whatever you want as long as you don't distribute it.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 day ago

Fuck, are we really becoming the last beacon of freedom and liberty?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

One of the few left.

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 6 points 1 day ago
[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The first half of the last century clearly says otherwise

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 1 points 1 day ago

Didn't know Switzerland wasn't a democracy... Or UK.

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee -2 points 1 day ago
[-] Varcour@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

So.. in the first half of the last century?

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So always = recently

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

We will have to fight for it though. At this rate we will have to vote down chat control yearly for the next century, and Macron and Scholz are not infinitely better than the US dems either.

At least now, they see that immediate rearmament and asserting ourselves as an economic and geopolitic power is a necessity, even if our industry doesn't feel like it and never wants to change.

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 1 points 1 day ago

Shure we have to fight it and I'm Damm well defending my freedom.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago
[-] BonerMan@ani.social 0 points 1 day ago
[-] opulentocean@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I really hope you were being ironic

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago

Current Germany is more democratic than most other countries...

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 32 points 1 day ago

Shit, now I'm doubly worried about Archive staying online.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 day ago

As @hollyberries pointed out, archive's servers are on American soil, if there's a federal ban on improper("fake") knowledge, their assets could easily be seized. No laws would have to change from today for them to do this, they'd just have to think up a somewhat reasonable excuse...

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Probably they'd use obscenity laws. Or they might bring lawsuit after lawsuit, dmca after dmca, until it drains them of their funds.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

The possibilities are endless.

I gotta get offline now. This morning hasn't been too great for my mental health.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Or copyright.

Whether honest or not, copyright claims are a very powerful tool to take stuff down now, and fight about restoring it later.

[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I'm hopeful that the archivists were looking to transfer their servers elsewhere (if they could while in the middle of that lawsuit).

If not it will likely be gone. :/

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

He doesn't have to. He can issue an executive order and within hours, a military regimen takes their data center.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago

And also good to keep in mind is that digital storage is volatile. Yes it's impractical to have a few terabytes printed out, but if stored properly, it'll last longer than digital media storage.

Another thing to consider:
If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Another thing to consider: If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

Ehhh, fuck fascists. They can't get all of us if a bunch of us do this.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

It's all hypothetical for now. But with control of the house and senate, there's not a single thing actually stopping them as long as the rank and file of the GOP stay in line and push everything through. Hopefully there's enough liberal and further left inclined "Well organised militias" to fight back against anything super fashy....

[-] philpo@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Digital data stored right is extremely non-volatile - but it takes an effort to do so,but the same goes for printing out terabytes.

And digital data can be hidden far easier.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Depends on what medium it's on. Some are far better than others, so as a generalisation I said what I said. A majority of folk these days, when they think digital media storage, think solid state. Which is, in fact, not suited for long term storage. A piece of paper stored correctly is going to outlast a usb drive, SD card or SSD.

[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

Good argument for encryption and servers within a privacy respecting country

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, not sure what the actual options are, but hopefully they get it sorted.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Somebody needs to fix IPFS so we can archive all that shit and share in hosting a chunk.

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