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I disagree with equating "I can't vote for a president who wants to continue to help commit a genocide" as "I expect a utopia and will settle for nothing less". I'm not going to vote for Jill Stein or whichever third party candidate, but I don't blame people who do. I blame party leadership for their failures. If they have a better vision for the future, it is their job to convince people that they are the best for the job. Right now, Dems are choosing to gamble their own votes so they can keep helping fascists commit a genocide and what increasingly appears to be a war of expansion and conquest in Lebanon.
Hell yeah. I have voted in every primary I could since I hit age 18.
You can, and you should be. Being mad isn't the same as being surprised.
Totally agree on this point, and I don't know why you assume that I'm one of the many who choose to spend four years at brunch before starting to care about politics again.
Because you're fighting me on the fact that the people are the ones with true power.
I'm arguing against the idea that electing Kamala, then expecting to be able to move her left after the election, is a viable plan. If more people didn't tune out once January rolls around, then maybe it would be more feasible. But you and i are in agreement that a lot of people simply tune out once the election is over. Libs who protested kids in cages under Trump ignored kids in cages under Biden.
Voters have leverage now. If Kamala wants our votes, then believe me I would be thrilled to see her earn them.
It's a false leverage. The only thing it will do is make things worse for yourself. That was plain from the onset.
Why is kamala willing to lose rather than earn more votes from the left then?