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This is a weird ass argument. China was not a historically developed ethnostate during this time period. It had--and still has, much to the disappointment of its leaders--a number of different ethnic groups. Just because the Han dominate modern Chinese society does not mean there are no other ethnic groups there. China did not have a common language at this time, either, though it's working hard to stamp them all out but one.
I was aware of this before you pointed it out, but i didn't feel like it warranted inclusion. That's not the one true measurement, either. It isn't my job, here, to include every possible alternate look at the data. I'm not writing a doctoral thesis here, this isn't a "gotcha". There's still really only one period where India wins this comparison, and it's during a historically dramatic (and, yes, self-inflicted) famine in China.
I am doing no such thing. Don't read weird bullshit into my arguments.
These are different numbers and... don't really refute anything i said? "Life expectancy" is different from "life expectancy from birth" and i have been careful to compare like-for-like in this thread.
This is a sound argument and it does mean we can't draw definitive conclusions from this, but these numbers do contradict the narrative that everything in China (or whatever Communist country you like) is horrible.
Cool.
Ah, so Israel isn't an ethnostate either, because other ethnicities exist, lmao
"These are different numbers"
It's literally the link you provided, lmao