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Official Statement from Lemmy.world admin about community removal (alexandrite.app)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by moeka89@lemm.ee to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[-] sab@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

It honestly makes a lot of sense to keep illegal content that's the source of frequent legal actions away from the largest general purpose communities. As you correctly point out it is extremely easy to join another instance where these discussions are allowed, and the larger instances have every reason to have a "better safe than sorry" approach to content moderation.

It seems to me the Threadiverse is too negative of the concept of defederation. It's a key concept of how the Fediverse works, and is supposed to work. The people on Lemmygrad is looking for a completely different experience from the folks over at Beehaw, so let them have it. Lemmy.world has become the largest instance, so naturally they need to have an approach to content moderation that is unlikely to land them in legal trouble. And even if they didn't, they'd be welcome to block discussions of piracy out of moral conviction or any other reason, just as their users are welcome to sign up somewhere else if they are looking for a different experience.

There was drama about defederation on Mastodon in the beginning as well, but I guess people coming from Twitter had an easier time intuitively understanding the appeal of it.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

The problem with your reasoning is that these communities aren't providing/hosting any illegal content. Furthermore, "legal" where? US law doesn't apply outside of the US and vice versa.

[-] sab@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

My reasoning is fine. Discussion of illegal content, if we have to be completely pedantic. Which we don't.

The fediverse doesn't need to be a unitary blob - in fact, it shouldn't be a unitary blob. An instance could block any instance where the use of the letter "e" is allowed would be completely legitimate (though the number of federated instances would be limited).

Though they have no moral obligations whatsoever to do so, it's fair to expect Lemmy.world to have predictable rules and relatively stable policies as it is the most mainstream instance and has a bunch of users. And honestly, for the biggest, most mainstream instance, banning the discussion of piracy is pretty predictable. It's simply not the kind of thing joining the largest platform of the Threadiverse is good for.

If you don't like it, this is why this place is federated in the first place. It's literally like this by design. Just stop complaining and use some other instance instead, it costs you nothing.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It isn't pedantry as there aren't discussions of illegal content occurring either. If I talk about torrents (not illegal) I'm not breaking the law or discussing anything illegal. Neither is a discussion about Qbittorrent or Jellyfin. Neither is a discussion about the hardware needed to seed 1000 different Linux ISOs. Don't let your ignorance of the topic blind you.

Can you point to the illegality of this post? https://beehaw.org/post/7156567

Do you agree that !gaming@beehaw.org should also be defederated now for posting illegal content?

Also, I am already using a different instance if that wasn't obvious enough.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm I shall possibly join that community to boycott this symbol, too.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Nice to see some discussion about it besides "lemmy.world sucks!" Pirates should be used to having to make a bit of effort to help avoid the corpo Eye of Sauron. The bigger a community you are, the bigger a target.