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‘Stop bullshitting me’: Biden said to scold Netanyahu in call on truce-hostage deal
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Harris needs to put Netanyahu in his place.
How about, you know, actually let her create and execute foreign policy before you judge her. She’s clearly started distancing herself from Biden’s carte blanche approach, but it’s not a good idea (electorally) to move to fast on that front, because AIPAC throws a LOT of cash around.
I deadass told everyone Biden was gonna copycat Obama's policy because he was a VP with no plan of his own.
He did exactly that.
How tf is Kamala going to magically gain a moral conscious overnight, let alone a functioning policy plan that isn't going to be a copy of Biden.
Especially considering she was the least popular candidate in 2020.
30 years of snake oil promises from literally every president and yet people still fall for the ol "let's give them a chance to prove themselves"
So we don't get to criticize a candidate before they take office?
If you want to criticize them on their previous actions sure. But she isn't the one sending the bombs. And her only actions so far have been to call for a ceasefire. Making up conversations between her and the Israelis isn't criticizing her, it's propaganda.
She is the one who condemned protestors for protesting against Netanyahu's address before Congress.
The protest organizers let people march with Hamas flags and icons. That's not acceptable in the current political climate.
Dude.
Those were Palestinian flags.
Hamas Flag
Palestinian Flag
Any questions?
You're barking up the wrong tree. I understand Hamas as a resistance organization to nearly a century of military occupation, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing. All for the purpose of some 16th century colonialist idea of racial superiority.
But America ain't there yet. So flying the colors of Hamas, spray painting their name, and wearing the red triangle are all things that force politicians to respond in a specific way. And unless someone figures out they were infiltrators or the photos were photoshopped then the organizers screwed up. When I marched with pro Palestinian groups earlier this year the organizers were on top of preventing that.
The biggest thing we can do going forward isn't to lament a boiler plate statement, it's to educate people on why Hamas exists in the first place.
Okay, so when I searched before I didn't find any Hamas flags in the protest. Google is fucking garbage these days.
Mea culpa.
That said, she didn't have to condemn everyone. She's running against Donald "very fine people on both sides" Trump. He knows he needs to speak to the extremes in his base to win, it's why he got even more votes in 2020 than in 2016, and she needs to speak to her own base too. Instead, she threw the baby out with the bathwater.
Whatever. Maybe she's just a coward and not willing to take a stand that would get attacked in the media. There's a reason she won't use the words "genocide" or "apartheid" or "settler-colonialism" or "war criminal"...
Let's see who her VP is, because if it's Josh "volunteered for the IDF" Shapiro then it's clear as day she's pro-genocide
(As an aside, flying Hamas's colors does help to educate people about anticolonial resistance - it's provocative, not wrong)
Then it's a good thing she didn't, and specifically singled out pro-Hamas sentiment.
She did not come out in support for any of the protesters, she condemned them all equally.
But, like I said, let's see if she chooses Josh Shapiro. That'll tell us what we need to know.
This is just plain false.
Read her statement. She condemns and condemns and condemns, and doesn't say anything about support for any of the protesters. She merely came out in support of protest as a general concept, but you can hardly read that as her supporting the right to protest against Israel or Netanyahu.
This is a convoluted uncharitable interpretation. She specifically condemns support of pro-Hamas graffiti and rhetoric. It's disingenuous to read that as blanket condemnation of all pro-Palestinian protesters.
No where in her statement does she clarify that any of the people protesting Netanyahu were in the right. She didn't go that extra step to show any solidarity with any of the protesters, and maybe that's because she's a coward and didn't want to appear pro-Hamas. Yet, Trump wouldn't do that to his base. He'd condemn violence in general and then say there were very fine people on both sides, and by doing so he became even more popular. Harris missed an opportunity to make her position more clear.
In fact, she has been frustratingly vague about this entire situation! A ceasefire, but how long? Hostage release, but does that include the Palestinian hostages held by Israel? What about the ICC and ICJ decisions? What about UNRWA? Crickets...
She needs to make her position clear, and I think her VP pick will clarify it for a lot of people.
She specified her criticism was against pro-Hamas, and you're saying because she didn't make an additional redundant statement to clarify what that means that she's implying something other than her literal words? And her call for ceasefire isn't specific enough, despite the fact that she doesn't have the authority to draft specific details anyway?
Your reading comprehension isn't justification for extrapolating these wild hypotheticals.
Her statement reads as a condemnation of all protesters as pro-Hamas. It paints with a broad brush.
We already established that this is straight up false. Ask your handler for better material.
We didn't establish shit, her statement doesn't separate the protesters into two groups.
Whatever. She didn't pick Shapiro which says, to me, that she's not willing to totally piss off the uncommitted movement. That's definitely positive.
Trump got that name trying to split that hair. And yeah I get the difference between the groups. But the entire point here is the American electorate at large doesn't.
And the American electorate never will get the difference if politicians are too cowardly to make a stand.
But Trump got more votes after trying to split that hair. It worked. It's not even a bad strategic move.
It's never been the big politicians who lead movements in the US, unless they came into office because of a movement. Even JFK didn't do civil rights until the movement was big enough.
Yes, because US politicians are always opposed to change until it is forced upon them.
Yet in other countries political figures can, in fact, lead political movements. Why is the US different?
Because the system is different.
To be fair, while this may be her likely answer, she hasn't spoken anything definitive on the issue. There is room for optisism even if it isn't high.
I would argue its the reverse, most the media is a corporate/billionaire owned. Billionaire and corporate media isnt going to act in the public's best interest.
I absolutely agree with that. So why do we trust them on anything at all?
I do think a lot of well-meaning people go into journalism. It just means there's some problems to look out for