i agree, but i don't think that that contradicts the post. the path to a better world from this one is necessarily messy and in this situation nothing can be achieved cleanly. in this context i feel like you'd have to add a caveat to every single universal human right we're working towards because there are people in the way. you aren't arguing that they should denied food and shelter, youre arguing that they should be stopped from hurting people. i think you belong fully in the 'everyone deserves to have their basic needs met' camp
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are you talking about these people's access to food being restricted or about murder? if it's the former, then i think that removing their power to harm would be more effective. if it's the latter i think that's kind of different from what the post is talking about.
who do you think doesnt deserve to have their needs met?
you are incorrectly identifying imperialism as the cause of something. being able to identify something as harmful is good, but if you can't accurately identify what caused it you won't be able to effectively combat it. gendered clothing discrimination happens almost everywhere on earth, but not everywhere is imperialist. i don't see any reason that this specific instance is the result of local imperialism if so many other non-imperialistic examples exist.
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i am not going to try to divine your point from two wikipedia articles that support mine. do you have something to say?
imperialism describes a relationship between a country and the rest of the world. the us is imperialist because it subjugates and loots other countries. how it treats its own people on its own territory has nothing to do with whether it is imperialist. iran is not imperialist because it does not subjugate and loot other countries. how it treats its own people on its own territory has nothing to do with whether it is imperialist.
the us is impirialist because there is a us empire. iran is not imperialist because there is no iranian empire.
we appreciate you highlighting the ableism in this and we can second the missing missing reasons being especially useful.
She attacked me
no she didn't. you are having a conversation on the internet.
She delusionally tried to lump me in with her oppressors just because I used the word “ideal,” for fuck’s sake!
no she didn't. she said that you were framing a lack of transphobia as an ideal rather than a floor by using the word ideal.
I used “ideal” as in “better than the alternative”
no you didn't. you couldn't have. ideal doesn't mean that.
I am really getting sick and tired of being libeled like this. I am the furthest thing from a goddamn MRA!
no one called you an mra. i pointed out that you were using an mra dog whistle.
You’re the one who brought [gender] into it.
gender isn't some vampire that's only relevant to the conversation once someone invites it in, it is a societal force that we live within. it is always relevant. this is basic feminism.
Self-defense is not tone-policing!
this is not self defense because you are not being attacked. you are having a conversation on the internet.
Do you realize that, by being incredibly accusatory and hostile to people who are trying to be your allies, you’re only making the worst outcome for yourself more likely? Don’t blame this shit on me!
this is tone policing and victim blaming.
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it seems like you aren't differentiating between what someone says about your ideas and what they say about you. it also seems like you aren't differentiating between feeling attacked and being attacked.
it is reasonable and compassionate to treat an oppressed minority with grace, even - especially - when they criticize their oppressors. being "accusatory and hostile" is a normal, expected reaction to lifelong persecution. putting extra effort into engaging compassionately is moral even if you disagree with them.
it is reasonable to expect this from you.
when you frame this - extending grace to an oppressed, suicidal woman - as "sexist," you are flattening gender relations into an imaginary "all lives matter"-esque concept where all genders exist under the same conditions. this is literally an anti-feminist dog whistle of men's rights activists.
you should treat her better because society is biased against her and has instilled that bias into you. you are obligated to correct for it.
this means you do not fucking tone-police the oppressed.
...i think i'm going to go find somebody to hug.
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there was an iranian empire. there is not now an iranian empire. even if the iranian government were aspiring to it, they aren't there. iran rules over people because it is a state.
what foreign nations? this singer is iranian!
this singer being fined is bad because that's gendered discrimination. the religion is doing something bad by enforcing this discrimination. you can dislike iran or discrimination or religion or states, whatever, but calling these things imperialist is incorrect. imperialism is bad and gendered discrimination is bad but they are different things. you are using the word wrong and it makes your point unclear. you should fight imperialism done by an imperialist state. you should fight discrimination done by non-imperialist states. you need to know the difference or you'll be fighting shadows.