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[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

The 3 D's are a useful tool to tell apart antisemitism and valid criticism.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de -5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

that's what's odd about it. The article says the reason the team didn't shake hands was because of 'wholly inaccurate accusations of antisemitism'. So does that mean they would have shaken hands if one of the israeli team members had not made that accusation? Or were they just looking for a reason? This is what seems odd to me. If we imagine Ireland playing against an african nation that is also torn by war and conflict. If one of their team members accused the irish team of racism, and as a consequence, the entire irish team refuses to shake hands with the African team because they are so offended by these accusations. That would be really weird. That's why I asked for more context.

There is a difference between the country and the religion and antisemitism is used for the religion alone.

That is incorrect. Anti-Judaism is the (much older) component of antisemitism that is used for religion alone. While it is wrong to say that any criticism against israel is antisemitic, it is equally wrong to say that criticizing Israel is never antisemitic. in some cases it is. Sadly many people refuse to have this discussion. Israel exists because of antisemitism, not the other way around.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (26 children)

how am I supposed to understand this, what is the context here?

An Israeli player said "It's known that they are quite anti-semitic" and the entire irish team felt so offended by that that they decided not to shake the hands of the israeli team? To show them how unfounded the allegations are?

What are the details here? the article doesn't really say much

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

good point. I have already shifted my position on this. Patients won't be able to get their needs met unless they comply, so acting like you like it, or even convincing yourself that you enjoy it is pretty much the only way to get through this process.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

ouch, that hurts. But point taken.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Im okay with admitting that, but I would think that you’d have to be pretty vulnerable to share that info

you are right. It is inconsiderate of me to expect people to disclose vulnerabilities in order to have their perspectives validated. I wouldn't want to be treated that way either.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

you make good points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

thanks for the links. To clarify, I oppose "functioning labels" like "severe" or "mild" autism. However, I think it is important to say that some autistics feel more disabled by their autism than others. Support need vary, and there should be a way to express that. If you have another term that is better, I'm all open to hear that! Finding good terms isn't always easy. Doesn't mean any one is better than the other. I agree with you insofar that any kind of "ranking" - as you say, is very misleading. I am usually called "mildly autistic" when I disclose my autism. Which is not how I experience it. I'd personally be more comfortable with being called a high masking autistic, as it doesn't invalidate my experience as much. Again, I am open for better words here. What I read about people who identify as level 2 or 3 autistics is that it is important to them to make some distinction, as their experience is quite different from people with lower support needs.

You not wanting to listen to them, or not considering them “enough” to satisfy whatever need it is you have (which I genuinely don’t understand), is a you problem.

You misunderstand me here. I precisely want to listen to them. What I am looking for is perspectives from people who dealt with more impairing issues (eg problems getting dressed, basic hygiene, trouble to communicate basic needs etc). I haven't seen the perspectives from these particular people.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

their positive experiences with gay conversion therapy.

I am not looking for perspectives in favor of it, what I am looking for are any perspectives from people with high support needs, as the debate around it is usually led by either neurotypicals or (comparatively) independent autistics, who in many cases have no first hand experience with ABA. Autistics with high support needs are the ones most affected by ABA, and ironically they have virtually no voice in this debate, which bothered me.

The use of “levels” is also profoundly problematic. Google it.

Which expression do you prefer, then? genuine question. I found the 'levels' to be a better term as it distinguishes by support needs rather than 'intelligence', as the word 'Asperger' suggests. Googling didn't help with that question. Again, let me know what your preferred expression is.

ABA absolutely does not help anyone to learn important skills, but forces people to hide who they are to avoid shame and punishment. It’s abusive, causes trauma, and is not okay.

I read plenty about these things, and that's why I am also concerned. So what I'm looking for is experiences with the people most affected by it.

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but some of us have been affected by our past experiences and don’t really care to be reminded of them.

Fair point. I added a Content Warning to the post.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

yes. It is regared as traumatic and abusive by many, many autistic self-advocates. I'll provide some links later. However, I found one perspective missing. The debate around it is held by either neurotypical people or by autistics with low support needs. So I'd like to know what autistics with higher support needs think and feel about the issue.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

care to elaborate? I'm genuinely interested

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

I love Vital (Vitalium) and Zyn-Fusion. Surge and Odin are great too. all of them are open source and work great with bitwig.

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