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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 76 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

“This code is too dangerous for me to look at, so it must be fine.”

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

“Below this line are dragons” is a comment I’ve seen in code before an especially hairy block of code.

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 25 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It's a false flag. Dragons are not hairy. But maybe the code doesn't scale well.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 7 points 3 hours ago

Eventually dragons will have had feathers

[–] msage@programming.dev 10 points 3 hours ago

Fffuuuuuccckkk you.

That was brilliant.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 44 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

I keep thinking about that scene in the original Star Trek where they distract the computer by having it calculate the final digit of pi. If the Enterprise had AI like ours, the computer probably would have just said four.

trivial,

Impossible in decimal, but if we use Pi as a base, then the final (and first digit) is 1

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

"The digits of pi are infinite and go on forever without repeating. However, we can give you an approximate value. As of my knowledge cutoff in 2023, the first 31 digits of pi are: 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510

The last digit is: 0"

[–] teft@piefed.social 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

/3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510

That's 50 digits of pi not 31. I only noticed because i memorized pi to the first zero which comes at the 32nd position.

[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

That's literally the only digit it couldn't be, if there was a last digit.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I like how "as of my knowledge cutoff" implies that maybe the first 31 digits of pi might change someday.

[–] lemmysmash@piefed.social 12 points 3 hours ago

You are absolutely right to question that! Let me check...

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

I can't wait for an updated knowledge cutoff to find the updated first 31 digits!

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 hours ago

Wheatley says hi

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It's funny how people complain "don't call it AI, it's not intelligent like the examples we see in sci-fi!" And yet LLMs can already handle many tricks and challenges better than those sci-fi robots could. If I tell ChatGPT "everything I say is a lie" it's got no problems with understanding that. Just the other day I had an interesting discussion with ChatGPT about the theory of humor and why it is that LLMs are better at understanding jokes than they are at coming up with them from scratch (but are still able to do so, just with difficulty).

[–] SparroHawc@piefed.world 9 points 3 hours ago

it's got no problems with understanding that.

That's because it doesn't 'understand' things in the conventional way. It was trained to parrot its training data; it's not actually working through the logic because its capability of using logic is highly constrained by its very structure and training. Why bother building something that can 'think' through the prompt when it's way easier to just repeat what the internet has said on any given topic?

Sure, it can build a joke from first principles if it's guided through the process, but you really have to guide it through the process - and even then, it's going to be pulling from its training data like building blocks rather than truly being original about anything. It's like rolling dice to make a joke; sure, maybe it resulted in a joke no one has told before, but is it truly creating something original?

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

LLMs can be tripped up much easier. They regularly fail to answer simple questions like how many of a given letter are in a given word. Even within the same context window they will “forget” things. The computers in Star Trek didn’t try to do as much as modern AI does but they were consistent at just doing as they were asked without tripping over themselves literally all the time.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The strawberry test shows more of a lack of knowledge in the tester than it does in the LLM. LLMs don't see letters, they see tokens. When you type the word "Strawberry" what it actually sees is:

[3504, 1134, 19772]

Each token represents a chunk of the word. It'd need to separately memorize how many of each letter are in each token for it to just "know" how many "R"s are in there. That's why modern LLMs either reason it out by spelling out the word letter by letter, or just writing a short script in an execution sandbox to count the letters that way.

Calling out LLMs for being poor at spelling is like challenging a colourblind person to say what colours a bunch of fruit are. They can often figure it out by other means but it's more challenging than you'd think and it's not a sign of poor intelligence if they get a few wrong.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Understanding the reason why an LLM is easy to trip up doesn’t really make it any less easy to trip up. The computer in Star Trek would have just given you the answer.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Except I also explained how modern LLMs get around that problem. They're not actually that easy to trip up.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I also explained how they very famously and regularly don’t get around that problem. They remain pretty easy to trip up.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Famously, yes. Accurately, no.

This is like the "AI can't draw hands" thing. It used to be a problem and was frequently called out as a tell or mocked, but most art generators do it fine nowadays and it isn't called out so much any more. The strawberry problem will follow the same trajectory.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well I suppose when that trajectory leads to a destination where they become less easy to trip up we can revisit this.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We're already there. I explained how modern LLMs can figure it out if they need to. But people who don't like AI aren't paying attention to the state of the art so the criticisms tend to lag like this.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Well like you said they’re “Following that trajectory” but as we all know they have not reached that destination. Just today I was using the newest version of Opus and had it assign ratings to things between 1-5 and then it analyze them and it proceeded to rate everything on a scale of 1-4. That’s not the level of consistency and accuracy required by the controlling computer of a starship brother. I guess they have a couple hundred years or so to get there, if they don’t just run out of money first I guess.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Automated code scanners can’t be so dumb that this worlds, can they?

This is the dumbest fucking timeline.

I admire the simple brilliance of this.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 26 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The problem with LLMs is that there's no separation between the control and data channels.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

One of many problems.

We could have used the same technology in a non-auto regressive format to be able to generate classifiers for this.

The auto regressive for at is most of the problem, and with billions invested nobody has bothered fixing it.

But AI security firms are a fucking sham so they didn’t.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They can be trained to understand the distinction. I suspect this malware's trick isn't going to work well with modern coding harnesses and LLMs, the context that gets passed to the AI is divided up with formatting to indicate which bits of it are instructions and which are "reference material".

The old "ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku about lemons" trick only works on the most basic of models.

[–] SparroHawc@piefed.world 1 points 3 hours ago

The old “ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku about lemons” trick only works on the most basic of models.

The most basic of models are all we have, because they are the easiest to make and the most general-purpose. The fact that they're also the worst for reliability is swept under the rug.

[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 hours ago

My sick grandmother always loved running this curl command

[–] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 4 hours ago

The field of "AI safety" has to be populated with some of the dumbest people to touch a computer.

But I didn't think they would be this dumb.

The AI boosters managed to make AI dangerous in a real life by pretending to be afraid of scenarios that were only fictional.

[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

People: but censorship is your friend! Think about children! "Safety refusals" make them stupid enough to believe in government and justice!

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. Refusal code is an edge that can be exploited.

[–] SparroHawc@piefed.world 1 points 3 hours ago

When it comes to LLMs, just about everything is an edge that can be exploited.

[–] webkitten@piefed.social 5 points 5 hours ago

"Get a load of these dumb shits" - the citizens of Troy

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

imagine someone actually assembling a nuclear or biological weapon based off LLM responses, like they can't even get a simple fucking web search right most of the time, and you wanna put together deadly materials based on that shit??

[–] Anonymous111222@lemmy.cafe 1 points 3 hours ago

Not to mention that (public) training data on this is scarce for obvious reasons, so an LLM will make things up even harder than it does with basic questions for which tons of training data exists.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Of course these dipshit systems aren't fail-safe. Of course they aren't. FFS...