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submitted 9 months ago by sik0fewl@kbin.social to c/canada@lemmy.ca

The data found about 68 per cent of car shoppers in 2022 who did not own an EV showed an intent to purchase one, but that dropped to 56 per cent this year.

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[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 68 points 9 months ago

Because they cost an arm and a dick. I can't afford a $40k car even if it's cheaper per km to operate.

[-] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

Fuck me, I can't even afford 10k. Regardless of cost per km

[-] zipzoopaboop@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

Make some dashboards that aren't a touchscreen cluster fuck

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago

Fucken' this! Why does every new car have to have a media tablet on it, EV or not? Give me a cheap screen as the backup camera and don't make me put my fingers on it while driving, and give me potentiometer controls for everything else!

Give me an EV car that makes me feel just a little better than being out in the cold for cheap and I'm sold.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If they made a little EV pickup with a 2 seater cab, 6ft bed, basic backup camera and a 200 mile range for 20k, I'd buy one tomorrow.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

This, an electric Ranger is 10x more useful than a crew cab Ram with a 4 foot box, super nova headlights and a 12L V8 un-tuned diesel.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

There used to be an Electric Ranger, but the snag was that the range was so low that it was only sold for institutional / commercial campus use -- I think it had a 60 mile range, and took overnight to charge.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Oh man, that's what I want! My commute is 30 miles round trip and it's shift work so there is at least 10hrs of charging time between commutes.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Pick up a 10 year old Tesla -- they're cheap and they have lots of battery life for short commutes.

[-] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

There was a rumor GM is making the LUV truck but electric. I'm not a bowtie person anymore but I would have a downpayment on one in a heartbeat.

[-] Numpty@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

There are inexpensive EVs...BYD makes some decent low cost EVs. They're already in use as taxis in Montreal and IKEA delivery in Vancouver. The consumer versions are apparently coming in Canada... Just not yet. They are avail in Australia already and in Europe too.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

FYI, the full-electric IKEA delivery trucks are in Montreal as well.

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[-] WilfordGrimley@linux.community 5 points 9 months ago

It's because it's the easiest way for car manufacturers to harvest and sell your data to third parties.

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[-] plaguesandbacon@lemmy.ca 31 points 9 months ago

They. Are. Too. Expensive.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I will never own a gas car again because gas cars are simply inferior technology. I've put 170,000km on my EV over the last 5 years, and they've been more convenient and less expensive kms than even the cheapest gas cars I've owned. The only maintenance has been rotating the tires and the cabinet air filter.

When I wake up in the morning, the car has more mileage charged in it than I'll use in the day, which includes my 100km+ round trip commute. When I drive it, the instant torque blows by most other vehicles on the road. I live in a rural area, it snows, it freezes, it doesn't get plowed right away, the car doesnt care. It always starts. I make half a dozen 1000km round trips a year in it, doesn't matter the weather, sunny or cold. I take 2 kids, my wife and all our gear in it. Did I mention they do sports, we have equipment and bikes and all that stuff.

The darn thing does everything the skeptics say it won't do and it's a shame all the misinformation I see, almost daily, about EVs.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

What vehicle and can I afford it?

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago

Totally. The inconvenience ( and inconvenient timing ) of having to fuel up is intolerable after being exposed to electric.

My wife drives an EV and I drive a gas guzzler. So jealous. It is going to change the second I can afford it.

[-] Chimaeratorian@beehaw.org 5 points 9 months ago

I am with you! I first dipped my toe into the EV pool in 2020 when gas was at a modern era low, so EVs weren’t exactly flying off dealer lots. I only drove my ICE to keep the gas from going bad. Ended up selling the ICE and buying a second EV with a bigger battery and longer range. I’ve taken it on four road trips since March, and people don’t know what to think when I tell them I pay less for a full charge than most people do a single gallon of gas.

I think the best way to shift the apprehension is that home charging is the future, and you really only need to worry about infrastructure when you are going out of town. It’s a lot easier to put chargers on lampposts than it is to put gas stations every few miles, but oil lobbyists are making sure everyone is absolutely terrified of electrification.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I don't have a parking spot at home, but my office installed four car chargers, and there were already 120V sockets in every second parking stall. Unlimited charging is included in the parking fee, and they don't care if you plug into the 120V socket. I've left my car there when I was on vacation, and not a peep from them.

[-] WhyDoYouPersist@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

What do you have?

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago

Yeah well I don't want a big ass SUV that costs a whole arm.

I want a reasonably priced Honda E. A Fiat electric. A VW e-Golf.

But most of all, I want better public transportation.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I had a Fiat 124 Spider a couple years ago that I absolutely loved. Bring that mother fucker back as electric and I'm buying day one.

[-] jesterkun@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

The first 124s are so good looking.

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[-] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Probably because fuel is coming back down and they are expensive AF to buy upfront.

[-] anonymouse@lemmings.world 7 points 9 months ago

Initial cost and lack of charging infrastructure are the two biggest drawbacks for me. The lease on my current car ends in a year, and I'm looking for a viable EV. But most EVs that are bigger than a breadbox and have a 250+ mi. range start around $7-10k beyond my budget.

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[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Even 'low' gas prices can't compete. If I charge on a street charger from 0%, it costs about $16 for 550km of range. It's free at the office. I bought mine when free unlimited fast charging was offered. I've put nearly 60k kms on the vehicle, and I've paid less than $200 for 'fuel' over the last 4 years.

[-] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

They can't compete in the long term.

In the short term I don't have 20k sitting around to save 6k a year in fuel.

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[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago

I'm waiting for my ICE car to die. And I'm waiting for those new batteries that handle the cold better.

Preferably a non-tesla. Tesla would have a NAZI in the mouth

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[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

You could rewrite this as "Canadians crunched by inflation, corporate profiteering, are unwilling to spend money on top-trim, high-margin electric vehicles that manufacturers want to them buy instead of cheaper cars that they can afford".

It is true, though:

  • More people rent, and so can't charge at home
  • Interest rates have made monthly car payments out of range
  • People are squeezed everywhere else
  • Automakers (and frankly, the rest of the supply side) got addicted to debt-fueled spending and are absolutely unwilling to go back to an era of lowered expectations. I mean, we all have to do with less, but we can't expect our Captains of Industry to share the pain.
[-] Delta_V@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The Tesla brand has become distasteful due to the owner's antics, and no other carmaker builds an EV that's capable of long range travel due to a lack of quick charge capability and infrastructure.

edit: "the owners" meaning the person who owns the company, ie Elon, not the people who bought the cars. Apostrophe added for clarity.

[-] Dearche@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Well, that, and Musk's been torpedoing his own reputation by opening that mouth of his more and more these last few years. Tesla owners always though he was one of them, but he's been proving them wrong more and more every time he opens that mouth of his, so it's no surprise that people who are pro-EVs are seriously thinking about ditching Teslas.

[-] Delta_V@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[-] Apprehensive@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

People are running out of money generally, EV's or whatever.

[-] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

It wouldn't surprise me if the biggest factor was just interest rates.

EVs still do tend to cost more than ICE vehicles, and the used market is still pretty new for EVs.

Autotrader is mostly a used car marketplace. So it doesn't really surprise me that after a year where used cars cost more than news ones, and new cars were flipped for immediat profit.

Now that is starting to settle down and people who still can afford a new car just gets it right from a dealership.

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[-] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 7 points 9 months ago

I've experienced a similar decline in interest. Mostly because of one key thing, I got an e-bike.

The cost of gas was way too expensive, and I considered selling my gas powered car and buying an EV but the used and new market is well above anything I can afford, they only seem to produce SUVs or crossovers instead of anything the size of a Honda civic. I figured I'd just keep the gas car I have until it beefs it and use it for multi person trips, or far away trips.

Like it really is hard to beat when I can spend 1500-3000 on a bike that costs pocket change to charge, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to maintain. Honestly with the lack of public transit in a lot of Canada, a bike and whatever car you already have is a great way to save on gas money.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

instead of anything the size of a Honda civic

Chevy Bolt. But they're over $50k CAD before rebates. Fuck that.

[-] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago

God if the Chevy Bolt was like idk even 35k I could maybe justify it but ideally I think we need the Hyundai Elantra of EVs to exist..something in and around the 20k mark for them to be a purchase normal people can make without sticker shock

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Even the used ones are still pricey. I'd get a 10 year old Tesla Model S for $25k before I'd spend $35k on a used Bolt.

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[-] Octospider@lemmy.one 6 points 9 months ago

Sales doesn't equal interest.

I'm very interested. But, our country isn't interested in making life affordable.

[-] mister_newbie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

I'll buy an EV when I can get one with all the tech that's in the car already working without a monthly subscription cost.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Maybe people don't want to drive a vehicle that spies on them? All EVs are privacy invading.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Get out of your bubble a bit and you'll realize that basically no one in the real world cares about that

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

basically no one in the real world cares about that

I'm going to assume that ignorance is your idea of “not caring”. I think people would care if they knew the truth.

Put it this way, if you offered informed people an EV that spies on them or an EV that doesn't, would anyone pick the one that spies on them?

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[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

People don't care about it until they get bitten. Then they act all outraged and make outrageous demands for compensation.

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[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

From reading other stories it's not just Canada.

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