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Dutch parliament votes to raise petrol prices and divert the money to support buses (www.dutchnews.nl)
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[–] Roggebrood@feddit.nl 23 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

This sounds great, but to put it in context:

In 2022 the government decided to temporarily lower the tax on petrol with 17 cents (and also reductions for diesel and lpg) , as prices were skyrocketing. It was initially for 1 year. This was then lengthened a number of times. In the beginning of the year, the right-wing government decided to cut back public transport spending. So with this decision, we will again lengthen the tax cuts for petrol for 2026 and 2027, but with about 1/3 less than the previous years. That part will go to public transport.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 52 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Based.

Now do aviation fuel, with the revenue going to high-speed rail.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

We actually already have that since a while. It's worked pretty well. There are gonna be a few changes, relatively minor but they do have some impact.

  • Flights up to 2,000 km away + Caribbean areas of the Kingdom = keep same flight levy of about €30.
  • Flights of 2,000-5,500 km become about €50.
  • Further away becomes around €70.

44% are in support of it, 33% has no opinion on it, and only 26% is opposed. Most flights are within Europe.

The expected impact is that most people will then decide to fly closer. There have been talks of making the public transit pass cheaper, which could then attract more people and quicken the recovery from covid.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

There’s an argument to be made that flights less than, say, 4 hrs should be taxed more, as a train can easily and more efficiently handle that trip. What with the pre-checkin time, it gives a good 2-3 hrs buffer for transfers. Flying from London to Amsterdam is just silly.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 4 hours ago

Also, a flight emits more emissions when ascending and descending than at cruising altitude, meaning that short-haul flights emit more per mile than longer ones. And a financial penalty on flying will act best as a deterrent where there are alternatives: one could conceivably replace a flight from Amsterdam to Berlin or Barcelona with a day-long and/or overnight train journey (especially if rail travel was cheaper), though there are few alternatives to flying to New York or Singapore other than not going. (If flights weren’t an option, a trans-Atlantic crossing would take most of a week and a sea journey to East Asia about a month. A train via the Trans-Siberian Railway, were it geopolitically viable, takes a week to go between Moscow and Vladivostok or Beijing.)

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Eurostar has annoying pre-checkin times too though at least for London - they recommend over an hour.

I think that does make it faster to fly even with 2*airport to centre transit times - though extra time for checked bag in an airplane might just swing it back the other way.

If you could turn up for eurostar 5 minutes before, like a normal train it'd probably be better.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

Those pre-checkin times are needed because the queues are insane. There should be much higher capacity at rush hour

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

This is the way, sounds like a great idea.