Listen. Strange women floating in space distributing implants is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical cosmic ceremony
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Wow I don't remember Patsy / Gilliam being a literal frog
But they do have a queen. >_>
Unpopular opinion: I didn’t like the whole borg queen story. The idea that they were a decentralized network assimilating others to extract useful things, was much more appealing to me.
Yeah, it kinda ruined the Borg for me. I get that having a faceless decentralised collective as an antagonist is a challenge to write, but giving them a face is the laziest possible way to get out of it.
My thought is the Borg Queen is less actually in control of the collective and more like the voice of the collective, similar to Locutus. She’s also the outlet for every drone’s horniness…
SFDebris' notion of different Queen models that provide a certain strategic 'flavour' is about the most that saves the concept for me. Barely.
First Contact and Endgame are steady, focusing more on precise moves between periods of steady growth. Scorpion to Unimatrix Zero guided the Collective towards aggressive and expansionist moves.
Less 'in control' and more like setting the faction policy in a 4X game for example.
She IS every drone's horniness.
Im with you, I still enjoy that movie though.
Oh, Queen eh? Very nice
How can you tell she's a queen?
Hasn't got any shit on her.
Do the Borg actually shit, tho? I'm only a casual Trekkie, but I don't recall them addressing that issue...
(And just to be clear - yes, I know what MP line you're referencing.)
I don't recall anyone having to take one in Star Trek, my head canon is they remove it via transporters at night, like a quick swap when aleeping. As someone with intestinal issues that sounds wonderful.
I haven't seen much of the newer series though and I assume they still urinate to lower energy costs. I may have pondered this a bit.
In Voyager, 7-of-9 had to keep going back to her drone recharge/nutrition unit until her digestive system reformed. Basically a whole bunch of Borg equipment replaced basic staying-alive organs.
So if they don't ingest, I'd imagine they don't shit.
We'll assume the mechanical/nano bits work similar to a stillsuit.
Now I’m imagining a Borg standing in their alcove just enjoying a burger.
Looking at what happens when you link human minds together through the internet, I'm simply amazed at the Borg getting anything done instead of getting hyper-focused on details and completely stuck on decisions because of conflicting thoughts trying to work through different motivations and ideologies.
That's why the need to assimilate. Every original idea that any of them has is shouted down by the rest of the collective before it can even be fully formed, so they need to let other species do their thinking for them and then borgify them.
Given how often they get blown up are we sure they aren't doing that in the background.
Think of it like singing. Sing in a big enough group and it doesn’t matter what you sing anymore, the voices of the choir will drown you out.
OTOH, arguments at the speed of thought, with zero option to not participate, would probably resolve quickly.
For example, how often have you talked yourself into/out of a huff, in the shower? Granted it’s just you, but that internal dialogue is powerful.
Now imagine you aren’t separated from other people and your inner debate is you versus a cacophony, but one central idea rises from the noise and takes on one side of the argument in your head so you aren’t arguing against yourself. It still probably feels like arguing against yourself. And you’ll probably lose because one side of yourself knows a lot more than the other side.
Then assume that thoughts aren’t limited by speaking speed (they might not be for you, but they feel like it if you think in words like many people do. This isn’t an inherent limit to communication because you can process thought faster than a string of words can be strung)
We are Dennis.
Well I didn't know you all were called Dennis.
There's nothing so odd about that. Kemel Attaturk had an entire menagerie called Abdul.
I think the borg could be an even more compelling storytelling vehicle with just a few changes.
- Focus on aethetics. Everyone loves pretty people and pretty ships.
- Make it voluntary and open. Drop the "resistance is futile" and try some PR for once. No disease, no poverty, no loneliness etc...
Yeah, I think a quasi-religious cult offshoot of the borg could be neat to explore.
You just described a plotline of Picard season 2. Wouldn't recommend.
Now season 3.... That shit was fire.
By the inverse property, that fire was shit.
Watch Apple TV's new show Plur1bus for an idea along those lines.
Looks like you are trying to describe the Federation...
Without the hive mind.
Hum... The brain links are way less direct, that's for sure.
But no right of exit.....
This sounds like the EU
Quite a few counties in the EU are constitutional monarchies.
Well indeed, The Netherlands is one of them. But apart from that, Brussels (EU) seems to claim more and more power like Roberta Metsola and Ursula von der Leyen.. Not sure how, but I didn't vote for them