Chapotraphouse

• If we cared about democracy in the Middle East we would oust the al-Saud, al-Hashim, and al-Thani monarchies

Foreign policy within the imperial core is the supremacy of the empire. Any deviation from total commitment to this supremacist position is reacted to as traitorous.

I'm also in klanada and I say those things all the time. If you sound like you know what you're talking about and references historical facts, even ones they don't know, most libs will give up cause they don't actually KNOW anything. They're doing ideology and you can dance in fucking circles around them. They are not an intellectual people. I informed my half isntreali boss about the fucking Hannibal directive and nothing happened to me cause, they of course didn't actually know what they were talking about and actually came back later saying they looked it up and its fucked up. Libs dont know shit.

One time I said that North Koreans were just like anybody else and just living a different way. All the good liberals around me acted like I was insane

Throw in that the DPRK has a right to self defense and that Iran needs a nuke

Yeah, you get completely stonewalled on these topics. They can't even handle any debate on it or whatever, they immediately jump to labelling you as some internet-invented identity/insult like saying you're a communist-putinist-fascist that wants to holocaust Ukrainians or something for being skeptical of NATO. I guess this is what the internet-based PSYOPs are being used for because every other topic you might be able to get some leeway, even awful shit like paedophilia or something. But touch foreign policy, etc. and they respond by mental reflex to shut down the conversation as quickly as possible, which is how the right mostly operates about everything, but it's slowly working its way through left-libs on more and more topics.

Only thing close to experiencing this kind of discussion is debating animal rights/veganism with non-vegans in how quick they are to hallucinate arguments I didn't make and how emotional they get doing it. Antinatalism arguments I see are similar to this too, but I don't think that's a PSYOP, I think that's a human need for a specific narrative concerning human life to feel comfortable existing in this universe.

In latam I say all this stuff even among my lib, bougie family members, and the only thing I get pushed back on is Maduro. Sadly that's kinda the most relevant one right now since the US is trying to turn Venezuela into another Libya and they're staging the attack using PR. But living with white Canadian libs sounds like hell.

Normal people oppose the blockade on Cuba, especially if you explain how it's way worse than the state department claims it is.

I don't even know if you can publicly say Israel is doing a Holocaust, but in polite society I think you can at least say genocide at this point.

But you can't say shit else about Israel, other than Benjamin Netanyahu is bad

Liberals and conservatives do seem quite similar in most of Foreign policy. Even if they're an isolationist or anti-war, they'll still believe and say that the victim country is terrible.

Palestine and Russia are sometimes points of genuine disagreement among the right, but the people on the right with actual power follow the normal line. You have to go much farther left to get disagreements with the State Department line.

The overtone window exists. It just includes all kind of barbarism but excludes letting people with alternative economic systems live in peace.

Like I've said on my own behalf, it's hard to have a good opinion on things when your education was so lacking that you don't have half a clue what's even going on. On what basis could anyone hope to construct any alternative opinion? Maybe if they have a friend who's from a place and took the time to explain some political situation but then you're just going along with some rando person's take on a country they left for one reason or another.

you get dog-piled, swarmed, yelled at, hated

srsly bud? u got swarmed? rly?