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As I prepare for my fifth eye surgery to fix a prosthetic lens, I'm reminded of how dumb elective cybernetic implants, augmentations, or what have you, would be in real life.

I bring this up because in most sci-fi settings I've encountered where cybernetics exist, they go unquestioned as a boon to the individual and society at large. When they are the focus of a work, people who are in favor of baseline humanity are portrayed as luddites or even bigots.

Very quickly, here's why I take a dim view of cybernetics:

  1. Society is already stratified into haves and have-nots. The people most likely to get augmented are those who are already in power, the rich and connected, not the huddled masses. So a persecution scenario like that seen in the later Deus Ex games is unrealistic.
  2. tech support. Devices eventually need to be serviced or replaced, and that's bad when it involves turning your innards into outards.
  3. Following from number 2, planned obsolescence. Your model of brain chip is outmoded? Better get the newest one if you want to keep up.
  4. Invasive medical procedures are inherently risky.
  5. Do you really want your body to be vulnerable to cyber attacks?
  6. Better pony up the dough for the gold subscription if you want to dream in color again.

In my conworld, even though the yinrih have achieved Kardashev II status they don't use cybernetics. Part of this is because they can't lose consciousness, meaning they can't use anesthesia, meaning surgeries have to be as minimally invasive as possible, limiting what sort of stuff can be implanted. The other, more realistic reason, is because wearable tech does most of what you want out of augmentations. Why chop off your legs when you can wear pseudosinew to improve strength? Why get ocular implants when HUD specs do the job? You get the point.

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[–] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I do kind of thing a lot of these are more predicated on the specific setting or polity within the setting than issues with the intrinsic technology itself. For instance, the idea that they would be externally-interfacing and so vulnerable to cyberattack.

But also, yeah: Cybernetics are also one of those sci-fi techs which comes with a lot of "hidden" technologies "built in" (for instance, the ability to perform reliable low-risk surgeries, or creating materials which are reliably not rejected by body tissue). Some of these, to me, are actually kind of feasible (minimally invasive surgery today is practically a miracle, compared to how it was even 20 or 30 years ago).

[–] adhocfungus@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

I used to think the same thing about people falling in love with AI. It seemed so obvious that nobody would seriously do that; it'd be so self-destructive. Now cybernetics don't seem so far fetched either.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

isn't this part of the ideas behind the deus ex prequels?

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

IIRC Mankind Divided was all about regular humans persecuting augmented humans, which I found ridiculous per my first point. That brings me to a wider problem I have that probably deserves another post, about the trope of an inherently, measurably, objectively superior group of people, mages, supers, mutants, cyborgs, being persecuted by baseline humans.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This kind of shit: Barbara Campbell was walking through a New York City subway station during rush hour when her world abruptly went dark.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete

Tldr: The company went bankrupt, so they sent a kill switch. Deus Ex vibes...

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I read this last year IIRC, and it has become my go-to warning when talking about this stuff. There was also a similar case involving a brain chip to mitigate seizures I believe. In that case it was a trial or something and the company demanded the one person that actually improved have it removed.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago

What if instead of cybernetics for repair / healing they’re instead used by people who want to hack themself.

An extension of piercing / tattoo rather than prosthesis.

In the sufficiently advanced future where we find a way to integrate parts we also likely have discovered how to “trick” the body into regenerating limbs

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm working on some creative writing with this in mind, actually.

  • Cybernetics are corpo, through and through, with basically all the cons you describe.

  • But they're also incompatible with the magic system (bending).

So you have the corpos who take cybernetics as a 'rich person's shortcut,' and then powerful (unaugmented) benders viewed as elite for taking years to hone the skill.

And then you have the poor who can't afford that training or tech, and sacrifice their innate bending foir predatory subscriptions, old cybernetics and such.

...Still working it out, but that's the jist of it.

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sounds interesting, though "bending" makes me think of Avatar, though maybe that's intentional?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yep, it's an post-LoK Avatar fic. The cybernetics are chi-based, hence they don't work with bending.

It's also complicated by that. Take metalbenders: they can yank people around by their cybernetics.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 3 days ago

A lot of cyberpunk gets into the nitty gritty details of technology like cybernetics, genetic engineering, and other medical adjacent technologies. They are technologies with obvious pluses and minuses.

Even then, it is common in world building to reject certain technologies. Star Trek famously has the Federation reject generic engineering due to the Augment Wars. Dune takes place in a post-AI world because the current power structure was built on destroying AI government systems.

As for your point about cybernetics versus wearable tech, eye glasses are a centuries old technology to correct vision. Yet, we have Lasik, a technology with non-zero risks to eyesight.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In cyberpunk stories the cybernetics are generally stolen and sold on the black market by shady criminals and sold to those in the lower economic strata in stories about oppression and fighting the rigged system. They are often purposed for fighting, sex, or other things that don't have anything to do with addressing medical issues.

In other sci-fi stories they often do include the fact that they are more readily available to the wealthy instead of the masses even when beneficial if that is the economic system. In post scarcity societies like Star Trek they are presented as beneficial and generally easily accessible like Geordi's visor in TNG.

There are also stories and settings that match what you are describing, where having cybernetics is seen as a status symbol or used as something that divides society, but it isn't the majority of settings that I'm aware of. Cybernetics are used in all kinds of stories and treated as positive or negative depending on the setting and the story being told.

I do like the concept for your setting which has a lot of different negatives that could play out, but each one could also stand on its own as a single overwhelming negative and some are slightly contradictory for stories. Why would the rich favor them if they were easily hacked for example.