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An interesting even-handed article.

In Beijing’s view, whoever builds the clean-energy economy will write the rules of the next world order — just as the United States once did through oil, arms and the dollar. Decarbonisation, by this logic, is statecraft, not climate stewardship. Domestically, it doubles as an insurance policy, securing water, food, and energy on China’s terms before scarcity and climate shocks arrive.

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[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The article is heavily biased imho.

Domestically, it doubles as an insurance policy, securing water, food, and energy on China’s terms before scarcity and climate shocks arrive.

This is exactly what China doesn't do imho (and what many experts say). In the short term, it looks like that, but if we look the long-term we see a different picture. China’s economic development has been greatly built on accelerated devastation of the country's land and resources, with policies that had exacerbated the problem food and water security, especially when the climate change will take its toll.

For example, China is the world’s largest source of CO2 emissions as its new technology drive has been relying heavily on coal (the country is by far the largest coal consumer, and it is still increasing its coal consumption). The air quality in many Chinese cities fails to meet international health standards.North of the Huai River, for example, life expectancy is more than 5 years lower than in the south due to air pollution. For decades, severe water contamination and scarcity have been compounded land deterioration.

China seeks solutions in infrastructure project that doesn't promise long-term solutions either, like a new dam in Tibet that threatens the environment in a large area in Asia, and is causing political tensions with its neighbours like India and others.

But economic growth already wanes in China, the Chinese Communist Party appears even more determined to institute changes to stem further degradation.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

is still increasing its coal consumption

AFAIK this is not correct. Permissions for plants continue to be granted but the new plants themselves are not being built. If only because coal is now becoming substantially more expensive than solar, which China is rolling out on almost unfathomable scale.

It's easy to carp about all the downsides to this revolution, but the uncomfortable fact is that the rest of us signed up to do all this ourselves too, because ultimately it's the only way to address the climate crisis.

As for air pollution, again, however bad it might still be, it was much much worse only a few years ago. Southern Chinese cities are now almost unrecognizably cleaner than they were. Yes there are ongoing issues, particularly in the north as you say, but I think we should be able to give credit where credit is due.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

China had a higher number of new coal power plants in the first half of 2025 than in any half-year period since 2016. In the first six months of 2025, China put 21 gigawatts of coal power online, with projections for the full year exceeding 80 GW.

Furthermore, new and revived proposals for new coal power plants in China totaled 75 GW, the highest half-year figure in a decade, clearly reflecting a continued push to advance coal projects.

At the same time, only 1 GW of coal power was retired in the first six months of 2025, with just 16 GW retired since 2021. According to China's 14th Five-Year Plan goal to retire 30 GW by the end of 2025, 13 GW would need to be retired in this fall - a highly unlikely prediction.

And despite some improvements of air quality, Chinese cities are among the most polluted worldwide.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Okay for the recent figures, but much of the rest is just projections, as I mentioned.

As for the coal GW figures, they are dwarfed by the equivalents for solar, as you surely know. More than 250 GW for the same recent semester, it would seem.

And despite some improvements of air quality, Chinese cities are among the most polluted worldwide.

This is just not true any more, at least for the southern megacities where electrification of transport is in full swing. The AQI comparison with India in particular is now like night and day. Are you as concerned about India's lack of progress as you seem to be about China's imperfect progress?

On this latter front I personally have no need for statistics. I have recently breathed the air myself in central Shenzhen and Shanghai. Forget India, the better comparison these days is with Switzerland.

Whatever China's failings in politics and civil liberties (or lack thereof), I see no reason to deny the obvious truth here: in terms of both the energy transition and liveable cities - i.e. freed from the internal combustion engine - China is now leading the way globally. In comparison we in the West are hypocrites and failures.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As for the coal GW figures, they are dwarfed by the equivalents for solar, as you surely know. More than 250 GW for the same recent semester, it would seem.

No, they are not 'dwarfed' by the equivalents for solar, because a pollution is a pollution. If you burn coal in your plant this hurts the environment, not matter how many solar cells you install on your house.

And it is true that Chinese cities are among the most polluted in the world. In 2024, China ranked 21 (of 138 countries) in the list of the most polluted countries.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Well, we will agree to disagree on the directionality aspect of all this. But that was otherwise an unexpectedly civil exchange, with data cited and no inane downvoting or insults. So others can make up their own minds. Good day to you.