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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Is it though? The only arguments I've ever heard from Republican family members against communism werr that people don't get the freedom to choose where they work, and that they all end in dictatorships rather quickly.

Both a debatable, but I've never heard someone say, the government starves the people of food in communism. Oh the other one is usually, "it demotivates people from progress.". Which once again, debatable.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 36 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

“Soviet bread lines” are a talking point iirc.

[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

And the holodomor

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

How many millions of American have died of hunger since the shutdown?

Just curious.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

But when I do it, it's cute!

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, when millions die from starvation then you can argue the economy here is worse. Until then I think this comparison is a bit silly. Stupid as this whole debacle is, it’s nowhere near as stupid as the Holodomor or Great Leap Forward.

Severe famines require more than just incompetence. They require active, violent repression of the people’s ability to solve their own problems—which they usually have. This is what makes these kinds of famines so horrific. Yes, they are partially natural, but they could have easily been solved if aid or freedom of movement had been permitted by the ruling tyrants.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And how many billions around the globe struggle to secure food/water/housing/medicine/electricity/etc despite the progress of technology? Right now we could produce enough for everyone on the planet; instead, hundreds of millions live in abject poverty, for generations, because our entire productive capacity is organized around profit instead of community need.

If we stop and tally the unnecessary deaths of those who succumbed to famine, homelessness, preventable disease, war, US imperialism, etc. we will see that the death toll of capitalism is immense.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That really has nothing to do with the comparison at hand between the refusal to pay snap benefits and the massive famines of the 20th centuries that the Stalinist governments created.

But sure, American imperialism bad. It’s a bit harder to measure all of these separate factors though, and it doesn’t make this campist meme any less dumb.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

It's fine to discuss one thing at a time, but there is a broader point being made in this post. The missteps of socialism are always taken to show that it could never work, but capitalism is failing and has failed the vast majority of us for hundreds of years now.