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[–] DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

What does this mean for the end-user? By how they worded it...

the APT packaging tool next year will begin requiring a Rust compiler

it seems like you need a Rust compiler as a dependency for simply having Apt installed on your system.

Debian and most distros based on it do not even install a C++ compiler by default, and apt is mostly written in C++.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 49 points 5 days ago (46 children)

Is it just me, or does that seem .. abrupt?

[–] undu@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There's time until March for the maintainers of the 3 niche architectures to organize and make rust available for them. Doesn't sound that abrupt to me

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For small niches, six months can be rather aprupt.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago

My niche can take 5 days or 5 months, depending on ADHD

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

The timeline is not super abrupt, especially for architectures where all he is asking is to ensure that your Rust toolchain is in order. That is especially true when you consider that Rust is already well maintained on all the Debian architectures that people actually use.

The abruptness (almost rudeness) is in the second part where he basically says that, if you cannot get Rust going in time, you should just stop releasing Debian for that architecture.

It is mostly just poorly worded though. Because none of these architectures have “official” support even now. This will not be the only way they are behind. So, there is not reason to be so dramatic.

And that would be my response to him. Another option here is that these alternative architectures just continue to ship an older version of APT for now. Emergency avoided. Few of them ship with up-to-date versions of APT even now.

Another solution is to use one of the multiple projects that is working to make Rust code build with the GCC compiler back-end. At least one of these projects has already announced that they want to work with these Debian variants to ensure that APT builds with them.

So, the 6 month timeline is a reasonable impetus to make that happen which would be quite a good thing beyond just APT.

There are many other useful tools written in Rust you are going to want to use on these architectures. It will be a fantastic outcome if this pressure from APT kickstarts that happening for some of these long abandoned architectures (by the mainstream at least).

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

For package maintainers, it's reasonable to expect security updates are rolled out the same week that a vulnerability is found. If you can't deploy a new version of a package in 6 months, not maintaining the package is also a valid option.

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[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 days ago

So thats why whenever I try to find a package in apt, I have to iterate through thousands of simiparly named librust-{dictionaryword}-{component}-dev packages in order to find the simple component I want... Apt repos have really been trying too hard for granularity, I'm pretty sure there are more librust áckages than actual end-user program packages.

[–] TommyJohnsFishSpot@lemy.lol 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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