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Who could have predicted that outsourcing our thinking to a fucking CHATBOT would reduce our cognitive abilities? surprised-pika

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is the same silly study that was getting posted months ago.

You don't remember something you didn't do. I am blown away at the implications.

The people who exercised got gains. The people who didn't exercise were able to lift less.

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not silly, was good. People who first used chatgpt and then didn't did not improve at the same rate as those who started unassisted.

The use of chatgpt was not just sitting on the couch, it was more like smoking in that it harmed your ability to improve on your own.

Unclear how persistent that effect was at this stage but it's concerning.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fine, it's not silly, it's just being misrepresented everytime it gets posted.

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

This is just the usual clash between how scientists speak and how people who don't know how science works speak.

You can quite reasonable say something like "this indicates that in some domains the use of LLMs to perform work may removed future learning and possibly cause atrophy of existing skills at an accelerated rate" but when discussed this gets shorthanded to "chatgpt gives you bad brain".

Which is fine, evidence indicates they're not very useful, they're possibly harmful, and they are controlled by big tech necessarily and created in an act of mass cultural vandalism so it's not like "chatgpt gives you bad brain" is a dangerously misleading belief.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People who first used chatgpt and then didn't did not improve at the same rate as those who started unassisted.

I mean, yeah? Using chatgpt instead of writing teaches you essentially nothing about writing. Breaking that habit and learning to write would be somewhat harder than just writing. That doesn't make them less intelligent or able to learn in other areas.

That's not me saying generative AI is good, there are plenty of other reasons it's unethical and I don't use it at all, but the idea that it reduces your cognitive abilities generally isn't well supported.

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Breaking that habit and learning to write would be somewhat harder than just writing.

That is literally a reduction in cognitive abilities? Also their recall was harmed, even in the essays they wrote unassisted. Not remembering work (and presumably thinking) you did is uh bad.

The context for this is investigating whether using these machines when studying is harmful, evidence indicates it harms your learning and thus cognitive abilities.

What could cognitive abilities possibly mean except the ability to do tasks requiring cognition?

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i think what LLM defenders fail to grasp is the argument that these are not tools that augment human potential, rather they are crutches that allow incuriousity to fester. why do a little research into a topic, figure some shit out with some critical insight, and then lay it out for others when you can just throw prompts at a bot and have some good-enough bullshit to submit?

im not over here saying workers should expend more effort for the bosses. i'm saying if you want or need to communicate with another human being, using the written language, you need to practice the skill to keep it sharp. it's perishable. i have seen it wither on the vine in some people, and it's some Flowers for Algernon ass shit.

and, to be frank, practicing and honing a skill at work is a benefit that i, the worker, carry with me and can use for my own purposes later. there are some skills and abilities i am happy to let a tool do the all the work, like hauling garbage, busting rocks or long division. basic information gathering, analysis, and re-organizing for dissemination isn't something anybody needs to be sidestepping.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

The study isn't silly, it's getting missused. This still gives some non trivial insight into how people are using technology.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

on top of it all they just aren't particularly good at anything. if they could just act as a personal assistant and fill in where my ADHD leaves gaps in my capabilities there would be some utility

or make a cold call for me. but totally useless for any of this because of the inconsistency and error rate

really seems "augment a human beyond their capabilities" is just "replace functions with poorer functions and then lose the functions you replaced".

good example being these personal powered lower body exoskeletons that just rolled out. seems to be a miracle for those with specific muscle wasting disease. for everyone else it just makes you weaker.

if we had world socialism this kind of tech would be first and foremost to help neurodiverse or disabled people be more independent and that's it. everything else would be secondary

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] roux@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

I want this to go into the time capsule we leave behind once western civilisation has finally fallen.

[–] unaware@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

It didn't mention white genocide in South Africa, this must be an impostor. Is our local GroKKK@hexbear.net truly the only rampart against denialist propaganda now?

[–] piccolo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

This is so fucking funny omg

[–] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I sure do love that the twitter thread was posted by some asshole tech ceo who can't help but advertise his shitty business at the end. That or the whole thread was a disguised ad. Very possible.

[–] SunsetFruitbat@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago

I feel like it's more like a disguised ad based off the tech ceo trying to sell ai sales tools and agents

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Damn I didn't even notice that lol

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

In the tweet, they state that the people using AI "wrote" an essay, but um, they didn't? So of course they didn't remember it. How are you goign to be shocked that the brain doesn't remember something it didn't do?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Funny, I have been saying this. More importantly, Marx been saying it to:

In the machine, and even more in machinery as an automatic system, the use value, i.e. the material quality of the means of labour, is transformed into an existence adequate to fixed capital and to capital as such; and the form in which it was adopted into the production process of capital, the direct means of labour, is superseded by a form posited by capital itself and corresponding to it. In no way does the machine appear as the individual worker's means of labour. Its distinguishing characteristic is not in the least, as with the means of labour, to transmit the worker's activity to the object; this activity, rather, is posited in such a way that it merely transmits the machine's work, the machine's action, on to the raw material -- supervises it and guards against interruptions. Not as with the instrument, which the worker animates and makes into his organ with his skill and strength, and whose handling therefore depends on his virtuosity. Rather, it is the machine which possesses skill and strength in place of the worker, is itself the virtuoso, with a soul of its own in the mechanical laws acting through it; and it consumes coal, oil etc. (matières instrumentales), just as the worker consumes food, to keep up its perpetual motion. The worker's activity, reduced to a mere abstraction of activity, is determined and regulated on all sides by the movement of the machinery, and not the opposite. The science which compels the inanimate limbs of the machinery, by their construction, to act purposefully, as an automaton, does not exist in the worker's consciousness, but rather acts upon him through the machine as an alien power, as the power of the machine itself. The appropriation of living labour by objectified labour -- of the power or activity which creates value by value existing for-itself -- which lies in the concept of capital, is posited, in production resting on machinery, as the character of the production process itself, including its material elements and its material motion. The production process has ceased to be a labour process in the sense of a process dominated by labour as its governing unity. Labour appears, rather, merely as a conscious organ, scattered among the individual living workers at numerous points of the mechanical system; subsumed under the total process of the machinery itself, as itself only a link of the system, whose unity exists not in the living workers, but rather in the living (active) machinery, which confronts his individual, insignificant doings as a mighty organism.

The greater division of labour enables one labourer to accomplish the work of five, 10, or 20 labourers; it therefore increases competition among the labourers fivefold, tenfold, or twentyfold. The labourers compete not only by selling themselves one cheaper than the other, but also by one doing the work of five, 10, or 20; and they are forced to compete in this manner by the division of labour, which is introduced and steadily improved by capital.

Furthermore, to the same degree in which the division of labour increases, is the labour simplified. The special skill of the labourer becomes worthless. He becomes transformed into a simple monotonous force of production, with neither physical nor mental elasticity. His work becomes accessible to all; therefore competitors press upon him from all sides. Moreover, it must be remembered that the more simple, the more easily learned the work is, so much the less is its cost to production, the expense of its acquisition, and so much the lower must the wages sink – for, like the price of any other commodity, they are determined by the cost of production. Therefore, in the same manner in which labour becomes more unsatisfactory, more repulsive, do competition increase and wages decrease.

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I'm starting to think this Marx fella was onto something

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm going to take a small break from the horror to feel openly smug.

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Okay that's enough, back to the horror

[–] SunsetFruitbat@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kind of odd the twitter user posting it is

Co-founder, ColdIQ ($6M ARR in under 2 years) | Helping B2B companies scale revenue with the best GTM systems | yewtu.be/@AlexVacca

Where ColdIQ uses AI sales tools and agents

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

don't use the mmr vaccine its bad and evil come buy MY vaccines

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It doesn't have to be an all or nothing approach

I use the bullshit machine for performing bullshit tasks. Create a narrative explaining an application stack for users? Hell yeah I'm using my brain on that. Get asked by a consultant to write a letter to myself from 2028 me explaining how our vision gets realized? Copilot here I come

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah true. It can be a extremely helpful tool when used strategically and sparingly. It's these people that I worry most about.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

Makes sense I know there were studies in the past showing access to e.g google and the internet could make people forget info and instead remember just the pathways to find the info online

liked this part of the tweet thread lol:

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

Not satisfied with the regular blood and gore, these tech barons are now transforming capitalism into a bootleg SCP that generates shitty cognitohazards for the sake of office work

Literally bricking our brains for the benefit of zombified capitalism