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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bluesky is far more user friendly and that’s why the people are going there. I get it, y’all love federation and ActivityPub, but no one wants to pick an instance, much less read a manifesto on decentralized social media. (Frankly, Lemmy has much of the same issues.)

I have had a Mastodon account since Elmo Muskrat bought Twitter, but it’s practically useless as few outside some specific IT-oriented users are on it. I got Bluesky, and it’s been way better as it attracts a larger variety of people.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I think the bigger problem is that there's no universal search that will find something on any of the instances you aren't blocking.

Search is not authoritative like it is on centralized social media.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It's not too hard to understand. Some people just like to pretend it's complicated. It's literally the same system email uses, and almost everyone has figured out how to use that. There's no marketing for it though. It's only word-of-mouth, and let's be honest, us fediverse users often aren't the best at communicating simply.

It'd be smart if some fediverse instances provided an email account with your account. Then we can just tell people to create an email account and they'd accidentally have a fediverse account.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I have yet to see any marketing for Bluesky. The fediverse still takes effort, even if it isn’t necessarily complicated.

[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mastodon is never going to be That Platform and that's ok. It doesn't need to be. The ActivityPub protocol is the highest value aspect of Masto, and there are a handful of other, larger, easier to use platforms that are adopting it.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Really? What other platforms?

[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Threads is implementing it in phased rollouts and I think they saw the writing on the wall with X that Bluesky was the next "big thing" and wanted to jump on a competitor protocol that had already been developed and already had an active base of both users and developers.l, whereas Bluesky is building everything in house from the ground up with the AT protocol.

WordPress has a plugin that is developed by Automattic (as close to core WP as you can without actually being core WP) which essentially turns every WordPress site into an ActivityPub feed. Its really cool and an incredibly powerful tool for publishers.

Flipboard is also implementing ActivityPub as we speak, and it seems like they are quite bought in on the concept. Their CEO hosts a podcast about the Fediverse.

Ghost is a publishing platform similar to Substack that is also working to implement ActivityPub and is doing a lot of the heavy work in terms of trying to figure out what longer-form publishing could look like within the fediverse, as opposed to being a network of different Twitter clones.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's this weird one I've heard some crazy people use called Lemmy or something. I don't know. They're too niche for me to consider thinking about.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if people looking for something laid out like Twitter or other microblogging sites would necessarily move to Lemmy, which is more like a forum. The activities on any social media may be largely the same, but presentation matters a lot.

To me, Lemmy and other forum style SM is like going to a bar and finding people to have a conversation, where as Twitter/BlueSky/Mastodon/etc are like standing on a street corner and just yelling random thoughts.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply it would. Just another activitypub platform.

[–] JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

where pleroma

where akkoma

where misskey

where firefish

where iceshrimp

where sharkey

where cherrypick

where catodon

where mitra

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Another feature-rich Forkey from before Firefish's first "death" which, as I've read somewhere, must have managed to iron out more of Misskey's original issues than the other Forkeys.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nice! Does it support MRFs?

No idea, I'm not that deeply into it.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 153 points 1 week ago (57 children)

As long as the fediverse has a barrier to entry for most people of mandating choosing a server first, it will never become the mainstream choice.

It actually doesn't.

Install the official Mastodon app on your phone, launch it, scroll past the instance selection box that railroads you to mastodon.social anyway, and it's no more complicated than Twitter. It's just that nobody knows that.

Fun fact: The official Bluesky app has a selection box for a PDS, too. It's no more and no less complicated than the official Mastodon app. Nobody knows that either.

Granted, of course, if you let yourself be railroaded, the place where you land in the Fediverse won't be the bee's knees, and you won't know that there are not only better Mastodon instances (or more Mastodon instances in the first place), but also better server applications than Mastodon (or anything else than Mastodon in the Fediverse in the first place). But hey, it's easy-peasy.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I mean, it's a network of indeoendent websites. I'm not sure what kind of solution to this people want.

People seem to be able to choose which wrbsite they're signing up for when looking at Twitter, BlueSky, and Threads. It's not like it't that weird of an idea.

They even grok the idea that different Wordpress-based websites are different from each other!

Maybe if we stopped treating "Mastodon" as a space, and talked about it like the webhost software it is, people would understand.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago

As long as email has a barrier to entry for most people of mandating choosing a server first, it will never become the mainstream choice.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Hey... that just gave me a small idea... what if we made a "flock" or "herd" of Mastodon servers? The group of servers would all federate with each other, have the same block and allow lists, moderation policy and teams spread throughout them.

When you make an account you can be assigned a random instance name within the flock. If your instance goes down you could still possibly log in using other servers? Main benefit would be spreading server costs and maintenance effort and de-centralized operating, but still keep a centralized feel to it?

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[–] timconspicuous@lemmy.ml 76 points 1 week ago (3 children)

While I generally avoid politics on this blog, it’s hard to ignore the political biases permeating X and BlueSky. X has veered heavily toward far-right ideologies, while BlueSky is often associated with far-left communities. This polarized landscape doesn’t work for those of us seeking a neutral space for meaningful interactions.

lol

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[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 60 points 1 week ago (7 children)

All these "why are people using Bluesky and not Mastodon" topics are starting to give me a headache. You've been told and on some level, I have to assume you understand the reasons, but are simply unwilling to address them. When people say, "it's difficult to use" instead of understanding why they think that way, you just dismissively wave your hands and say, "no it's not".

If you want people to use Mastodon, you need to SHOW people the power of federation while HIDING all the rough bits. People want to go to where the friends, writers, artists, scientists, etc. they want to follow are and sign up for an account there. Simple as. In this way, they very much want at least the appearance of centralization. I don't want to have to get balls deep in an instance's politics to understand their moderation, who they're federated with, if they have the funds to operate into the foreseeable future, and how to migrate my data if any of those things goes sideways.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (10 children)

im gonna be real, this guy sounds like a loser. he talks about the progressive political lean and the porn as if they're BAD things

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[–] OlPatchy2Eyes@slrpnk.net 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's weird to me how obsessed some people are with proving to the world that their social media platform of choice is superior. The Fediverse works, we have content, and anyone who decides to seek out a platform that offers what the Fediverse offers can join. Tell your friends about your experience if they might be interested but if they don't stick with it you don't have to be all salty about it.

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