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Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of the lower house of parliament and an ally of President Vladimir Putin, said a new bill would tackle the “ideology of childlessness.”

Russia’s fight against the West and its values has taken aim this week at an “ideology” that the Kremlin and its allies say threatens the country’s very foundations: people not wanting to have children.

Lawmakers have proposed a ban on “propaganda of conscious refusal to bear children,” Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of the lower house of parliament and an ally of President Vladimir Putin, said in a post on Telegram on Tuesday.

It is the latest effort by authorities to combat the demographic strain of falling birth rates, exacerbated by the war in Ukraine, which the Kremlin says could threaten the country’s long-term outlook. In July, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov called Russia’s declining birth rate “catastrophic for the future of the nation.”

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[-] RichieRich@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Russia is like, “Sons! We need sons for the fatherland so that they can fight in the field against Ukraine!” How inhuman can Russia be?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

I find it disturbing that they apparently expect that their 3 day operation will be ongoing two decades from now.

There’s always a new country to destroy and use it to blame the west.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

So I just did a quick analysis of war lengths after and including WWII, and given that this isn't my area of expertise, but they tend to run around 30 years on average. You either get out quickly or you're there for generations. Russia is losing troops at a rate that worries me and I'm on Ukraine's side of the war.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago

Citizens stop having kids because they can't afford them, government fines them and makes rape, I mean traditional values, more acceptable instead of making rich people stop hoarding all the cash.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 66 points 20 hours ago

Can we get the .ml crew in here to explain why this is actually good and freedom? Because I'm a little confused.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 25 points 12 hours ago

Why does ml crew defend modern day Russia? Modern day Russia is not a communist country. I’m confused why any communist would defend the USSR in general, especially after Stalin took power. Makes no damn sense to me.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 13 points 6 hours ago

USA bad -> Russia good

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's because tankies aren't communists, they're authoritarians.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 19 points 11 hours ago

Because they're supported, and 'west bad!!!'.

They support the hell out of chairman pooh as well, and he's one of the world's major billionaires according to the paradise papers.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago

Come on, .ml, tell us how the west has fallen and Russia is the last true bastion of civilization and people's rights. We're waiting.

[-] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

found one

A commendable effort by Russia to discourage the promotion of human extinction.

The nation starting wars and extracting fossil fuels is soooo concerned with the extinction of humanity.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I too am curious what this has to do with socialism and how it is not simply campist brain rot.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 19 hours ago

We're waitinggg...

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago
[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 15 hours ago

At the most the only thing that can be said is that the article says "could" and a law is "proposed". That is already concerning but it is not reality yet at least.

I don't know enough about Russian law if this maybe just means the guy told another guy while taking a piss in a toilet or if there was an official meeting and tomorrow it is voted on.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 53 points 21 hours ago

Should we make a society that people want to bring a child into??

Nah lol

[-] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 21 hours ago

💡If we simply make it illegal to... not have children? No, that's not right. Not want to have children? No, impossible to enforce. Ah, it must be illegal to profess the lack of desire to have children. What a beautiful and simple law that will certainly address the root cause of falling birth rates.

[-] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 60 points 22 hours ago

This is what JD Vance wants for America

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 hours ago

While fathering some sofas on the side

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 21 points 21 hours ago

This, together with the wifebeater-law, is what Hexbears want for America

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

Under His eye.

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 69 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

You know, I would bet there's tens of thousands of Russians that would be interested in having children if they didn't all have a case of unnecessary deadness. If only something could have been done to avoid that.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 25 points 21 hours ago

But if you can’t send them to get gunned down in a foreign land, what is even the point of having more children? Do you hear yourself?

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 35 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Uncle vlad needs meat for his glorious meat grinder

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[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 31 points 22 hours ago

How long ‘til this becomes a GOP plank?

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 20 hours ago

It already is, basically.

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Does anyone know the strategic reason for right wing authoritarians prioritizing people having kids? Like project 2025 talks about it a bunch, but nothing totally clear cut comes to mind as to why. At least not that feels like it fully justifies how clearly important it is, and that isn't just me dismissing it as meaningless control or whatever. It feels strategically important

In this case it's clearly important militarily, but that's also not likely to help in the present conflict in Ukraine. It'll take a long time for those kids to grow up, but at least they'd help mitigate population loss

[-] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

No idea what kind of level prioritising is meant, but all governments should provide benefits to children since any country needs their population to be healthy and not decline. You want young working able people to replace old population so that there are enough workers and taxpayers to keep country going.

[-] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 16 hours ago

More working class children means that there will be more people to exploit in the future. The size of the working class population is extremely important for the generation of wealth because they’re basically the only ones doing productive labour.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 22 points 20 hours ago

Traditional values used to subjugate women. That's really it. The same reason they hate abortion. Pregnancy and children are traditionally ways to control womem. "Keep em barefoot and pregnant" and so forth.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 20 hours ago

They want to grow the population in order to have more workers and consumers. There's also a white nationalist component where they're afraid that white people will become a minority and they'll use this demographic power to agitate for more equality, which is basically oppression to those people (because if it was only about economic growth, they'd be pro migration).

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 7 points 18 hours ago

Obsession with control, including control over future generations

[-] shaun@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Corporations need consumers (constant growth model). Military needs more living soldiers.

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[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

The wealthy are running a massive pyramid scheme and need a constant influx of plebs to support the bottom tiers.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 19 hours ago

Putler absolutely would send preteens to Ukraine if he started running out of adults.

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 18 points 23 hours ago

believe it or not, straight to jail

[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 23 hours ago
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[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Keep making life shitty and it will happen all on its own anyway. Hell making it a law might Streisand Effect it.

Here's this one cool hack they don't want you to know about. Governments hate it!

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