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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago

you are trying to gaslight me. i want the democrats to win so we don't have trump, and they're voluntarily trotting out this fucking corpse.

sure, it shouldn't be about appearances, but it is, because that's how most people interpret the debates (especially because it's part of the job for politicians to lie and that isn't exactly a meaningful shock at this point). that's the worst i've ever seen anybody do in a debate in my life.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine. If there was any reasonable chance that they could switch candidates now and still have a shot, I'd totally agree with you.

I think he's way too old to be president, but I'm sorry to say you're stuck with a shit decision, and one that's been engineered to help work against our best interests.

I fully get where you're coming from, but I'm not trying to gaslight you.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine

I'm not an American and even I know it is not his policy. It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries and has far too many stakeholders than just the head of the state.

Not even Bernie could've managed to navigate this shit situation properly.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't know... I see what you're saying, but does the president not have the power to take a principled stance on the matter? Maybe I'm being too naïve about what's realistically possible, but ultimately intended policy decisions have to start at the mouth of the nation's leader.

He needs to firmly acknowledge and denounce the ongoing genocide in Palestine.

[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 23 points 3 months ago

Can someone remind me of the last time a U.S. president took a principled stand on some foreign policy issue? Seriously, I'm not just asking this to be a dick. I'm pretty sure things are set up to ensure this does not ever happen.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Biden pulling out of Afghanistan.

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Obama pulled out of Iraq.

Biden pulled out of Afghanistan.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Shit, my bad, I did a stupid

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean, he certainly did say that he wants to increases taxes on the ultra-wealthy.

It's not a foreign policy issue, but it's one that would be unpopular with any rich donors so it perhaps demonstrates some amount of integrity.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend the US. Their foreign policy is stinkier than blue cheese.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Their foreign policy is stinkier than blue cheese.

And doesn't even compensate by also being delicious, like the cheese does!

Unless you have a significant profit stake in the military industrial complex and/or the fossil fuel industries, of course. Then it's the most delicious thing ever.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 months ago

Biden has publicly criticized Russia and China before. Every US President has made statements against countries like North Korea or Iran. It's the literally the least he could do.

[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

Those are things that are in the interest of the US foreign policy agenda.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 11 points 3 months ago

Sure, but didn’t Biden go on a rant of how pro-Israel he is specifically?

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

He did, and I'm not trying to downplay that in any way. He also called for peace, though, whereas Trump said he was also pro-Israel but thought Israel should finish what they started.

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