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[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 72 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I do think the anarchists have the right idea with this one and everybody should rotate like 2-3 months of the year doing critical hard labor like this. No, your ordinary work is not "too valuable" for you to be exempted from it. If you don't experience the work that goes into maintaining the basic conditions of your modern existence it's easy to become ungrateful and alienated from the material realities of your society.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

In the advanced capitalist countries of the world, employment in agriculture is under 5%. Under 2% in the USA. If we cycled this work it would just be a couple of weeks per worker. I'm not against the idea, but it probably just makes more sense to focus on agricultural productivity and automation.

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago

in china and japan i have friends who studied K-12 there and they do cleaning amd stuff, not hard labor and i'd imagine it is better than sitting a desk.

places will always need to be cleaned, fostering that in youth would be a great virtue to instill.

also as a guy i learned how to clean a bit in school bcuz i was keener and wanted to suck up to teachers

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

Right yeah there's physical labor that isn't just farming.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I legitimately like how Japanese schools have the kids clean and maintain the school and cycle through groups that clean the classroom each week.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When you’re forced to sweat to keep things tidy or spend a lot of time cooking a meal, it becomes more taboo to make a mess. I guess it’s why the military likes collective punishment so much in boot camp lol.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

Never seen someone that's worked retail treat anyone in customer service like shit.

You have slightly more respect for what you've experienced.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unfortunately I've experienced the other side, someone who felt so humiliated by the experience of serving someone else, they feel entitled to treat other people like shit because "they're getting paid to take it, like I was".

Education must be liberating and all that stuff, I guess.

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

but thats authoritarism gobbunism

EDIT: nvm forgot it's japan so we good

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

It would put a real quick stop to all the school kids absolutely destroying bathrooms.

You're a lot less likely to stuff a toilet and rip the door off the stall if your entire class beats your ass because they have to clean it up.

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I had to mop the floor in middle school as a form of punishment. And the teacher hated me, so it was always me.

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