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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Megyn Kelly went viral when she declared Santa Claus “just is white,” but a decade later the idea of what St. Nick can look like has only expanded.

Aisha Harris had no idea of the uproar she would create when she recommended the Christmas Penguin.

Ten years ago, the writer and journalist published a lighthearted viral essay titled “Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore,” in which she questioned the ubiquity of white Santa imagery.

“America is less and less white, but a melanin-deficient Santa remains the default in commercials, mall casting calls, and movies,” Harris wrote. “Isn’t it time that our image of Santa better serve all the children he delights each Christmas?” In fact, she suggests, a Christmas Penguin can represent the holiday instead of a person.

The backlash was swift, especially after anchor Megyn Kelly responded to the piece on her Fox News show “The Kelly File.” “This is so ridiculous, yet another person claiming it’s racist to have a white Santa,” Kelly said. “And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white.”

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[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

I think the character is white, though. Some people are. Doesn't really matter. Blade is black, I enjoyed the first film.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Santa Claus isn’t really a character, though. He’s a mythical figure. No one owns a trademark or copyright of Santa Claus. It would be like saying the tooth fairy is white. There are common depictions of Santa Claus, like the Coca Cola Santa, but those are just adaptations of a myth.

Blade, on the other hand, is an actual character, owned by Marvel. So Marvel decides what is canonical with regard to the character.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 9 months ago

Genuine question, is being black an integral parto of the story of Blade? Never read the comic, saw the movie and don't remember if it was. Kinda different of other characters, like Black Panther where being black is an essential part of the characters background. Going back to Santa, he's based on a white guy, but the current cultural character of santa is so disconnected from him that it barely matters who the guy was. The character is a representation of Christmas, and Christmas is celebrated by basically everyone everywhere, so it was just a matter of time until local adaptations of Santa popped up.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

The actual reason as given by one of the creators was that they were trying to diversify their characters by adding a black character when the vast, vast majority of characters at the time were white. It just happened that this character was the theme they were working on at the time.

It fits his theme visually, since he can be in the sun (Daywalker) and the pasty white vamps cannot. But that is just coincidence. Since the vast majority of superheroes still lean towards white due to keeping a lot of legacy characters around, it is important for Blade to stay black because he is part of an under represented race/ethnicity group.

All that said, Santa being white and Blade being black is a meaningless comparison. Santa brings gifts to all children and having multiple representations that fit different groups is a positive. Changing Blade erases an early example of a non-white superhero, which is a negative.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I agree that it would be stupid of Marvel to change Blade to a white guy (and that Marvel would never do it), but it would be theoretically possible given that he's a fictional character - just like Santa Claus. Making black Santas hurts nobody. Well, except racists who see any black representation as injurious to their fragile white ego.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Changed my mind, Santa is Chinese now. Or like, Southeast Asian, let's go with Southeast Asian.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

And people could have Southeast Asian Santas while others have black Santas and still others have white Santas. Nobody (except the racists) is saying that Santa has to be ONE ethnicity and can't be any others. Just because one family has a black Santa doesn't mean EVERY Santa needs to be black.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks for your answer. Legacy characters that are not a white cis male usually have a story or plot related reason of why they're not a white guy, because if the background didn't mattered they just made him a white guy.

[-] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

It’s hard to say. The historical person, St Nicholas of Myra, was probably of a lighter complexion, given he was a native of Greece.

However, in traditional Catholic art, he is depicted as anywhere from pale-skinned to dark-skinned depending on the location of the images (Bari in particular has many paintings of him with darker skin, possibly to show that they were cool enough to be able to attract a ‘foreign’ saint).

So given that even the person who is the origin of ‘Santa’ is depicted with many different skin tones, I’d say Santa can be whatever skin color people want him to be.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Santa white as fuck mate. Just a fat white guy in Lapland. Baron Samedi, less so. Although he does wear whiteface a lot of the time.

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