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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fair and realistic. At which point can a person be blamed and disregarded for making the conscious decision of killing innocents though?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Morally, no people? Realistically, I suppose it depends on how much propaganda and indoctrination they were exposed to allowing some shift of blame to the state. However, after killing one innocent person deliberately because "orders", no amount of environmental cause is enough to remove all of the blame. They consciously chose to obey that order instead of disobeying.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Have you heard of the Milgram experiment? It takes an incredible amount of strength, that most people don't have, to disobey orders from authority, even if you think the orders are immoral.

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago

That's not the point. Somebody can be perpetrator and victim at the same time. And justice would mean they get the proper treatment for both. Not a calculation and only the difference left after the subtraction.