I used mine in part to move house, as well as regularly dragging reno supplies, groceries and my own fat arse. I am regularly using it to haul. Extremely regularly. And in no way a fit person or spring chicken myself

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I run. I cycle. My road bike has 15,000km on it. But I can't do the things I need to do on a 250W ebike easily enough for it to replace a car in my daily life.

I could do all of the things you're talking about if my goal was to give myself a workout, but when the goal is to use it instead of a car, 250W doesn't cut it, because I'd be dripping in sweat and worn out half the time.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it's not supposed to be a car. I don't know why you think it is.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You don't need to be condescending to get your point across. We're having a discussion and disagreeing. The first sentence would have got your point across just fine.

In any case, I know it's not a car. But at the moment, my ebike means I don't need a car. I want a bike that lets me get through life without having to own a car. A 250W would mean that I'd have to call taxis and ubers more often. I couldn't just carry shopping, or garden supplies etc home, without it becoming a sweat inducing workout.

I mean, I could do those things, but at 250W, I'm putting in a lot of the power myself. And I've already got my exercise covered. I don't need to be changing clothes and taking a shower every time I ride up a hill on my bike.

[–] Nbard@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They really didn't come across as condescending at all IMO. You're complaiing about legal e-bikes not doing specific tasks you want them to, it's entirely reasonable to suggest that your expectations may be misaimed.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know in what world any comment ending with "I don't know why you think it is" could be read as anything but condescending.

You’re complaiing [sic] about legal e-bikes not doing specific tasks you want them to

Yes, she is. So am I. Because I want cycling to be accessible to everybody. Because of the massively lower cost of a bike compared to a car, and the massively lower risk of them, they have the inherent power to be much more accessible to a lot more people. Building better infrastructure is the most important part of that and we mustn't lose sight of that fact, but the laws governing how you ride are also relevant. In this case, ebike laws. EN15194 comes out of famously flat parts of the European peninsula. Hills are not as much of a factor there as they are here. For most people, most of the time, that's still sufficient.

But something as basic as being allowed to use your bike to go grocery shopping, or if somebody wanted to do something like Martin Broer in the UK and run a small tradie business out of an electric bakfiets, should be a legal option. In Dutton Park and Highgate Hill in Brisbane's inner south, or around Everton Park/Arana Hills in the northwest, that's just not going to work very well if you're not allowed any more than 250 W on your motor. Heck, even the lesser but still noticeable hills of St Lucia/Toowong/Indooroopilly might be a struggle if you're carrying a bunch of stuff.

If there's any task that forms part of people's daily lives that a bike can't do, I'm going to ask "why not?" and wonder if it would be appropriate to change things so that they can. In this case, the solution is obvious and simple.

[–] Nbard@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It really reads like you're going to the hardware store for orange juice.

If a bike isn't doing what you need / want it to, then the answer is not a bike.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Please explain what you think the appropriate solution is, then, and why it's better than mine.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 days ago

They're not expectations. They're how I would like to see things work, because of how I use a bike. There's literally no reason for this to be anything other than a conversation.

There's nothing to "misaim"