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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 8 points 4 days ago (21 children)

Came here to say this, the problem is the system of government because everyone can be bought. We need direct democracy where there are no representatives that can be bought

[–] saimen@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Then the direct votes will be bought...

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (5 children)

A lot harder to buy off the general population than it is to buy single representatives, everyone would have to know about the corruption and anti corruption watchdogs would have plenty of evidence

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No, it's not hard, it happened many times in Greek cities. Polish noble democracy in Commonwealth also became corrupted in exactly this way. You can see it even nowadays in the part of bourgeois democracies that are direct, for example European presidental elections, "vote x no matter what" blocks are found and it result in electing such people like Nawrocki in Poland. I mention him because he's incredible example, barely anyone ever heard of that guy before elections (except prosecutioner) but the magical hand of PiS chairman marked him as the desired candidate and suddenly he actually won against very well known liberal politician Trzaskowski (and Trzaskowski was least horrible lib in Poland).

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If large numbers of the general population sampled at random is corrupt, you're utterly fucked

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It wouldn't be viewed in this light, just as current vote X no matter who aren't percieved as corrupted. Ever heard of the patron-client system? It fucked up direct democracy every single time, and would resurface hard in politics.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That would be ridiculously more expensive to bribe the general population rather than members of government

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Not nearly as much as you think, as i said, clientele systems that really is existing at this point, would be used for that. Right now let's say lobby group made of powerful interest groups like MIC or oil or finance is bribing politicians (politicians and political parties would naturally still exist under direct democracy, just in maybe different forms) but they still have their powerbase and they would mobilise all the people dependent on them for the elections. "Don't want to lose your job/grant/contract/whatever, vote like we want and mobilise people dependent on you to do the same, and so on and on from top to bottom". Just as it worked every time before.

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