Tbh "when you visited Seattle I was considering picking you up just to prove that no one here would care enough to ransom you" is a WAY more actionable threat than "I'd like to beat you with a tire iron".

Who hasn't been casually threatened online with violence? Talking about beating the shit out of someone is so commonplace it's almost cliché. And I say that as a victim of that kind of violence.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 5 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I mean, it can't really be actionable if the Seattle visit was forever ago, right? Maybe it deserves removal, but Nak's ban was in large part because they kept doing it, when Nakoichi should've long toned it down.

And I think we'd generally prefer to not have a community where users regularly threaten violence towards each other, it doesn't really feel like the atmosphere Hexbear's meant to have, even if it's not generally unusual.

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

idk not to get too deep in another instance's struggle session but i kinda feel like death threats are so deeply ingrained in internet culture that it would be neither possible nor desirable to completely eradicate them. maybe that's just a product of the exact age i am. it's one of my shakier takes

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Half of it is that we don't want more LEO attention, actionable threats of violence just aren't really something we can keep online. Hexbear is also supposed to be something of a refuge for Hexbears, where we don't have to deal with the toxicity and reactionaries that pervade real life and the wider internet. We've had a rule against harassment of users that we've enforced for years.

As long as you don't violate the ToS and CoC your stuff won't be removed. I can advocate violence against slave-owners, or say "Death to Amerika" all I want on Hexbear, since they don't violate the normal rules, and those aren't targeted at a user, a specific person, or a specific organization. After all posting about killing slaveowners (as in even specifically Civil War slave-owners, John Brown type posting) is why r/chapo was banned, and had to migrate to Hexbear.

I hope I'm explaining this well. I don't mod in this comm, but I mod a bunch of other places on Hexbear, so I like to think I understand the rules and their reasoning.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 5 days ago

If we're talking about "toxicity" and an "environment" that's non-threatening, it's worth saying that a big part of the grudge involved was because Nako as a mod banned one of the most chronically aggressive and sectarian and bad-faith users on this site.

People are responsible for themselves and Nako should have known way better than to cross what was a well-established line, but it's worth keeping in mind the context that makes this not just a once-off thing.

Also if someone were to mention that they were tracking my movements, and had a personal motive to do me harm instead of a spur-of-the-moment one, I would be a lot more concerned than if someone just said "beat you with (insert rigid object here)". The former fulfills motivation, ability, and prompt; the latter covers just a fleeting motivation.

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 days ago

yeah that does make sense. i guess i wasn't aware of all the lore behind nakoichi either. maybe the world i imagined when i was 14-18 never existed lmao