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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ok but what if morality is subjective..? My morals say that killing puppies is bad, and people who do it are bad.

But with universalism, killing a Nazi is bad. Because it's killing. With universalism, humanity is attempting to assign intent to the universe and say that the natural state of being for morality is that killing is bad. It's simply not true. Perhaps in most cases, but not all. That's not universalism, by definition.

Am I woefully misunderstanding something here ..?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What if morality is subjective?

Morality is subjective.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well with objective universalism, killing is good, as unlife is the most common state of existence, it can never be immoral to unalive something.

If the universe has intent, it clearly is moving all things towards low entropy unlife, and as such unaliving is to carry out a moral good, and always moral, no?

/s

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know you're taking a piss, but why would forcing all things to be the same be necessarily moral?

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When arguing for a universal intent, it's typically argued as virtuous/moral to further that intent, or at least immoral to go against that intent.

The conclusions are bunk because the premise is bunk.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Ah. I suppose that makes some sense but yeah the whole premise of universal intent is just silly.