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My brother in christ that is literally what they are trying to do
No sir, scroll up and re-read the suggestion about "meeting violence with overwhelming violence".
So when is violence in response to fascists and specifically Nazis okay? Because they start with rhetoric then move fairly quickly on to violence. As in we are in the last part of their rhetoric as they are now openly waving flags without challenge.
When our police and justice system fails, and we officially live in a failed state, then all bets are off.
But until then, if your neighbor yells "I think you all should die" out his window, it doesn't suddenly justify the neighbors taking matters into their own hands, busting down his door, and "overwhelming" him. That's wild west law.
You don't bust down his door, but when he in the street with a NAZI flag, feel free to bust his nose.
That's the same thing. It's inconsistent to argue that it's ok to violate a person's autonomy for what they yell in public, but not for what they yell out their window.
I mean, realisticly I'm not going to stop you from punching a self-described nazi, I'm just going to ask that you be consistent about when you believe it's ethical to do so.
Edit: the US actually has a legal grey area around this topic deemed "fighting words", which is speech that the jury agrees is immediately threatening enough that the person had no choice but to physically respond. This obviously can get pretty unethical in its interpretation. If a nazi yells "fuck the jews" outside an Anne Frank play, I think no jury would have a problem if they gets hit. Does that also mean if someone else yells "fuck the police" outside a police station, the cops are justified in beating them?
There is a difference here:
Window dude is being a nuisance that should be dealt with. But he isn't being specific, nor is he showing any tendency for violence. He's just being a shit bag.
Nazi flag dude is out in the street, his views are specific and violent. They are a call to commit violence on a mass scale towards minority groups. Nazis (and fascists of all kinds) frequently get violent, without being the first to be hit.
Yelling out the window is a warning sign, waving a Nazi flag in public is an act of hate, and demonstration of an adherence to a violent ideology.